Why would you factor out local cost of living when comparing incomes? For the wealthy, a high cost of living is a choice to live where they want.
It does make a few differences, ie. plan to save a lot and cash out at lower CoL places.
The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
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Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#22Why would you factor out local cost of living when comparing incomes? For the wealthy, a high cost of living is a choice to live where they want.
>For the wealthy, a high cost of living is a choice to live where they want.
To an extent. I think some of them might not mind living in less expensive rural areas if they didn't need to be in proximity to their workplace or common areas of business.
We aren't exclusively talking ultra-wealthy billionaires here, I imagine the article is mostly concerned with the more common wealthy upper-middle class workers like programmers, doctors, etc.
Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#23> It's easy and cheap to virtue-signal your care for this difficult problem, but the elephants in the room here are IQ and culture I don't care about IQ, but supposedly you can't tell black people to just open a book (or two, or three) and to spend more time on studying because that's racist. It is their culture to sing and care only about Italian hyper-cars and jewels (we've come a long way since the days of Public…
It's unlikely that simply formatting your comment as "we can't say X about group Y because it's politically dangerous" is enough to prevent this comment from being flagged as intrinsically bigoted/racist, so you might want to self-moderate.
I thought about that before pressing submit and then I remembered that my mother's skin is "brown", the same as my brother's (I was the "lucky" one between me and my brother who inherited the "white" skin from my dad), that they both (my mother and my brother) have been called "gipsies" because of that, and that I've been thinking for quite some time what differentiates people and people's cultures and their perspective in life. It's not the color of their skin, it's the cultural choices they make (the "read a book part" and not begging in the street for some easy gains), if people want to call me bigoted/racist so be it.
Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If you live in a high cost of living area sending a kid to an Ivy is relatively cheaper for you than someone in a lower cost of living area. I don't disagree with your point but this is a very strange example. Most people don't send their kids to Ivies (most don't even think about applying), and even fewer pay full price.
My general point is that college is a large cost that isn't affected by CoL. Same for vehicles.
I live near London so I'm a bit of an outlier, but housing is by far my largest expenditure, double that of food and approximately 7 times that of vehicles/transport.
Also (AIUI) in the US most of the cost of education is in huge loans taken out by the child.
Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's unlikely that simply formatting your comment as "we can't say X about group Y because it's politically dangerous" is enough to prevent this comment from being flagged as intrinsically bigoted/racist, so you might want to self-moderate.
I thought about that before pressing submit and then I remembered that my mother's skin is "brown", the same as my brother's (I was the "lucky" one between me and my brother who inherited the "white" skin from my dad), that they both (my mother and my brother) have been called "gipsies" because of that, and that I've been thinking for quite some time what differentiates people and people's cultures and their perspect…
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Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#26This is such incredibly poor agenda-driven "journalism", with cherry-picked data used to (poorly) attack a sort of straw man argument: Asian Americans seem to offer proof that minorities can prosper — and even leapfrog whites — if they work hard and jump through the right hoops. For that reason, Asian Americans have often been invoked as a way to excuse the income gaps between whites and blacks or whites and Hispanic…
So what are those potential underlying causes and possible solutions, if the elephants in the room are IQ and culture?
clicks post history
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12159996
"What has been emerging especially now that genetic sequencing is becoming rapidly cheaper and more advanced at picking human genomes out of the genetic diaspora found in old fossils, is a much more complicated picture. The Chinese obviously have little need to adhere to US political correctness, so they're beginning to push the evidence that Asian hominid genes contributed to the emergence of modern humans/civilization. The emerging picture to me is one of multiple waves of hominin advances spreading in a varied way and admixing with existing local populations. So there's pretty clearly an ancient Out-of-Africa wave of homo erectus(who were far more advanced than previously acknowledged), a possible evolution of "homo erectus+" and wave out of Asia, and likely an "Out of Arabia" mix of neanderthals and AMHs in the Levant, all of which intermixed imperfectly. The Neanderthals themselves look plausibly responsible for some advances in human civilization (Mousterians) What you wind up with is a far more complex picture of human evolution and far more significant and long-standing difference between human populations, which I think requires a new narrative and philosophy for what human equality means and a way to ground it on something more fundamental than a wished-for genetic similarity."
"genetic sequencing"
"the evidence that Asian hominid genes contributed to the emergence of modern humans/civilization"
Hmm... where have I heard this before...
"pretty clearly an ancient Out-of-Africa wave of homo erectus(who were far more advanced than previously acknowledged), a possible evolution of "homo erectus+" and wave out of Asia, and likely an "Out of Arabia" mix of neanderthals and AMHs in the Levant, all of which intermixed imperfectly."
"far more complex picture of human evolution and far more significant and long-standing difference between human populations"
"new narrative and philosophy for what human equality means"
Oh, you're a fucking Nazi. Take your phrenology back to Stormfront, buddy.
Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#27This is such incredibly poor agenda-driven "journalism", with cherry-picked data used to (poorly) attack a sort of straw man argument: Asian Americans seem to offer proof that minorities can prosper — and even leapfrog whites — if they work hard and jump through the right hoops. For that reason, Asian Americans have often been invoked as a way to excuse the income gaps between whites and blacks or whites and Hispanic…
So what are those potential underlying causes and possible solutions, if the elephants in the room are IQ and culture? clicks post history https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12159996 "What has been emerging especially now that genetic sequencing is becoming rapidly cheaper and more advanced at picking human genomes out of the genetic diaspora found in old fossils, is a much more complicated picture. The Chinese obv…
I'm not sure if you realize it - but your comment is the problem, not the original poster. Sometimes facts don't fit a political narrative. Comments like yours are what have polarized the nation. Your knee-jerk reaction to anything that disagrees with your position is to name-call and shame. Not very good form.
Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#28It has to be noted that Asian people still drastically out-earn black people and are roughly "equal" with white people by city. Really the data shows that discrimination is more anti-black than it is pro-white (I think it would be helpful if Hispanics could be stratified by generation). It's also revealing of the author's personal biases that he considers living in expensive coastal cities to be a disadvantage. In ne…
> Really the data shows that discrimination is more anti-black than it is pro-white Or it shows that there is something about the statistically average black person that makes them less successful than the statistically average asian person. I don't claim to know what the difference is, but this is a fairly obvious inference to make. I'd actually say this is, a priori, a lot more likely than "everyone coincidentally…
> I'd actually say this is, a priori, a lot more likely than "everyone coincidentally discriminates against these particular racial groups but not any of these other ones".
How would you change that prior if you were informed one of those groups had been enslaved on the basis of race for a couple of centuries, ruthlessly oppressed for another century, then blamed for most of the problems in the country for the lion's share of the next one, becoming the primary subject of every leadership discussion?
> Most Asian (South or East) immigrant cultures in the US aggressively push for educational and professional success. Black culture in the US doesn't.
Educational attainment is more difficult to translate into professional success for blacks in the US; black college graduates have twice the unemployment rate as white college graduates[1]. With the rising costs of education and the yawning gap between white wealth and black wealth, the value proposition is only becoming worse. In my experience black people think that their best chance of success lies in sales and/or entrepreneurship. The only other choice is being the best of the best.
[1] http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/05/when-a-...
Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#29This is such incredibly poor agenda-driven "journalism", with cherry-picked data used to (poorly) attack a sort of straw man argument: Asian Americans seem to offer proof that minorities can prosper — and even leapfrog whites — if they work hard and jump through the right hoops. For that reason, Asian Americans have often been invoked as a way to excuse the income gaps between whites and blacks or whites and Hispanic…
You're on the money.
Sadly, the only way to even discuss culture's role without being labelled a bigot is to discuss the cultural differences within white Americans. When you're talking about how cultural traits prevalent in Appalachian communities like the one I grew up in exacerbate inequality, suddenly you have an audience. See the author J.D. Vance who wrote 'Hillbilly Elegy', and has subsequently become a darling of the political left.
It's funny, because my time spent in poor white communities and poor black communities allowed me to see how radically similar the two communities cultural traits often are. And also very similar is the fact that these communities have mixed within them families who go against the grain and succeed by not succumbing to the cultural norms around them.
Thing is, if we're honest, it's a lot easier to become popular as a minister or a politician when you tell a disenfranchised group of people that they are victims of someone else than to tell them they need to fix their own culture. Poor white families whose fathers abandon them have the same issues as black families whose fathers are absent, but the media would rather focus on the edge cases where racist cops shoot black men without cause.
Nobody ever asked black Americans to vote for a spokesman. Instead the media has decided that Al Sharpton and his ilk should be the ones consulted as to what black folks care about. He's in New York like they are, so it's easy for them and lucrative for him. In the meantime, kids hold signs saying "Black Lives Matter", but nobody wants to hold a sign that says "Black Dads Matter" even though a movement like that would do more to help black America than any government program. 70% of children being born out of wedlock has a huge effect, whether anyone is willing to admit it or not. And blaming incarceration solves nothing. The majority of absent fathers in the black community are not incarcerated.
Re: The Asian American ‘advantage’ that is actually an illusion
#30It has to be noted that Asian people still drastically out-earn black people and are roughly "equal" with white people by city. Really the data shows that discrimination is more anti-black than it is pro-white (I think it would be helpful if Hispanics could be stratified by generation). It's also revealing of the author's personal biases that he considers living in expensive coastal cities to be a disadvantage. In ne…
> Really the data shows that discrimination is more anti-black than it is pro-white Or it shows that there is something about the statistically average black person that makes them less successful than the statistically average asian person. I don't claim to know what the difference is, but this is a fairly obvious inference to make. I'd actually say this is, a priori, a lot more likely than "everyone coincidentally…
You yourself are asserting stereotypes about Asian culture and Black culture.
Racism is what happens when people are surrounded by a society that asserts such stereotypes.