Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
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Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#22Yes, the change is technological, but the biggest impact is cultural. You assume that everyone is going to love self driving cars, but has anyone studied people to see if they are accepting? Many people just want to jump in their cars and go.. they haven't figured out the destination yet. Or maybe they are just scared - they have been driving for a long time and don't want to give it up.
When I drive 10 hours to visit my parents, I don't like it. But do I mind driving to the train station every day? I get to feel the road under the wheels, drive a little bit fast in corners, etc. Do I put my car in sport mode so its fun? hell yeah. Maybe if you truly have no affinity for car culture all these things are irrelevant.
Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#23Yes, yes we want them. Idiotic things like this in the article miss the point: > And yet this trend has never been voted on or discussed seriously by our politicians We already voted with our dollars and will continue to do so (and our politicians suck). The article also has stupid shit like: > The truth is, no one knows for sure how many lives could be saved by driverless cars, because data on the role of human erro…
Once computer programs are driving cars, this will change.
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#24Every point made by this article made me angry. Some of the points made by the article: -We don't know exactly how many people will be saved each year! -We might make fewer cars! -Our politicians haven't decided whether or not we want them! -We can just disable phones in moving cars so people don't drive distracted! Jamie Lincoln Kitman, you make me angry. [Edit: formatting]
"A member of the Society of Automotive Historians, Jamie Lincoln Kitman drives a 1966 Lancia Fulvia and a 1969 Ford Lotus-Cortina, both of which run fine on unleaded."
He just wants to drive his crappy, unsafe, polluting cars around forever and make us do the same.
Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#25Yes, yes we want them. Idiotic things like this in the article miss the point: > And yet this trend has never been voted on or discussed seriously by our politicians We already voted with our dollars and will continue to do so (and our politicians suck). The article also has stupid shit like: > The truth is, no one knows for sure how many lives could be saved by driverless cars, because data on the role of human erro…
> Yes, jobs will be created by these new cars, but many will be lost.
Every time a company, economy, nation or empire doesn't follow the route that saves more human effort they are outcompeted (or conquered) by those who do.
This is as much an argument against self driving cars as much as it is an argument against automation in principle. We need to figure how to handle 40% unemployment when all those truckers lose their jobs. Either Basic income, subsidized jobs, or some kind of discussion to figure out what happens next. Because self driving cars will be part of it unless there is an apocalypse.
Holy crap! I a cannot finish this unresearched technophic clickbait piece of drivel. It is making me dumber as I read it.
Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#26> Jamie Lincoln Kitman, a lawyer, is the New York bureau chief for Automobile Magazine.
Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#27"Countries with an abundance of natural resources, specifically non-renewable resources like minerals and fuels, tend to have less economic growth, less democracy, and worse development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources."
Scholars debate the causes of the resource curse, but one popular theory has to do with the way autocrats fund themselves relative to democracies.
Autocrats, it turns out, need a lot of wealth to pay their cronies. No dictator rules alone; they need someone to run the military, someone to collect the taxes, and someone to enforce the laws. Those people have to be paid, and handsomely, or they'll overthrow the dictator (or just allow the dictator to be overthrown). This is called "selectorate theory" and this video is a great introduction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
Oil wealth, specifically, undermines democracy because when autocrats have access to oil wealth, they don't need to depend on their citizens very much. (Indeed, many autocratic countries rich with oil wealth just allow other countries to come in and drill it, keeping local labor entirely out of the loop.)
Resource-cursed autocracies tend to democratize when the oil wealth runs out and they need to rely on the people's productivity to deliver wealth to cronies. When autocrats are forced to allow people to educate themselves and communicate with one another, democracy ensues.
It can work the other way, too. In every democracy, there's a group of folks asking themselves a question: is now the time to try a coup, to replace democracy with an autocracy? As the value of capital increases and the value of human labor decreases, the advantages of staging a coup becomes more and more enticing.
For years we've thought of human labor as the "ultimate resource." But it turns out that human labor isn't the ultimate resource. Robot labor that's just as good if not better than human labor is a resource beyond any we've ever seen.
But that means that we're discovering/inventing the ultimate resource curse.
We might use automation to fund universal basic income, or a class of elites could use it to undermine "unnecessary" citizens (the "unnecessariat"), establishing a corporate fascism.
When we depend on human productivity for our tax base, we need to keep us all well educated and healthy. But soon, we won't depend on human labor.
"Is now the time?" they're asking. And, increasingly, the answer is "yes."
Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#28Every point made by this article made me angry. Some of the points made by the article: -We don't know exactly how many people will be saved each year! -We might make fewer cars! -Our politicians haven't decided whether or not we want them! -We can just disable phones in moving cars so people don't drive distracted! Jamie Lincoln Kitman, you make me angry. [Edit: formatting]
Ah, I see the problem: "A member of the Society of Automotive Historians, Jamie Lincoln Kitman drives a 1966 Lancia Fulvia and a 1969 Ford Lotus-Cortina, both of which run fine on unleaded." He just wants to drive his crappy, unsafe, polluting cars around forever and make us do the same.
The #1 danger to classic cars is collisions with distracted drivers of newer, less cool cars. A friend of mine lost a late 1960s Honda CVCC (precursor to Civic) in a front-end collision after putting a lot of work swapping over a bunch of period-correct NOS modifications from another late 1960s Honda CVCC that he obtained as a wreck from another collector who wanted to sell it as a parts car to a fellow enthusiast after it had been involved in a similar front-end collision. Two classic cars lost to distracted drivers of modern shitboxes who were too busy texting to realize that they should not have been making a left-hand turn.
Even California exempts pre-1975 cars from smog testing (and soon to be pre-1980s cars). Classic cars will have no trouble being grandfathered in. I have seen people drive Model Ts around on the streets.
Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#29I read this more as "Everything talking about driverless cars is the optimistic future" and not a real world understanding of the challenges of widespread culture change this would require. Yes, the change is technological, but the biggest impact is cultural. You assume that everyone is going to love self driving cars, but has anyone studied people to see if they are accepting? Many people just want to jump in their…
My commute is 29 miles, with all except 3 miles being on the highway. The off-highway miles, you bet I'll be in manual mode and gunning the shit out of it. But once I hit the highway, I'll hit the auto-pilot and relax. Being a driving enthusiast while wanting to have autopilot are not mutually exclusive.
I wonder how easily you can drift a Tesla...
Re: Google wants driverless cars, but do we?
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would hope that we spend some years not packing the cars together before we have a decent set of data on the performance under nation-wide, real world conditions. If we expect to get to that level, then the crash investigators better be closer to airplane crash level care then our current level of investigation.
Packing cars together and synchronizing them is probably the safer way. Less chance that a car, person or animal will get between two cars if the space between them is less. How many pedestrians are killed by jumping between two train wagons?
> How many pedestrians are killed by jumping between two train wagons?
How many tires blow out per year, or cars get slippery?