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Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by n00b101 »

Torgo wrote: post #3

>It is time to rethink the “good leader” prototype of being masculine, dictatorial, and charismatic. Good luck, there's a reason those attributes are dominant.

">It is time to rethink the “good leader” prototype of being masculine, dictatorial, and charismatic.

Good luck, there's a reason those attributes are dominant."

I agree, and I think it is a ridiculous and offensive conclusion that the authors are making here. They are perpetuating a stereotype of Asians based on a claim that "Eastern cultural norms encourage humility and deference to authority."

Firstly, this claim is not based on any data. I am reluctant to accept the stereotype that everyone in Asia is the opposite of "masculine, dictatorial, and charismatic," especially people who are candidates for positions of leadership. Did anyone go to Asian companies and see that all their executives are all feminine, un-charismatic, pushovers?

Secondly, even if we take this claim of an "inferior leadership culture" seriously, it can only logically apply to unassimilated Asian immigrants. What about Asian Americans, people who are born here? Are we to believe that they are all also all "feminine, un-charismatic, pushovers?"

This seems like a post hoc, pseudo-scientific justification for what is really an executive and baord level diversity issue.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by mbrameld »

novia wrote: post #17
chipperyman573 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't she on the board of Reddit? Making her a chairman (or is the PC way to say that chairwoman and you're trying to make this a sex issue)

Ok, fine, here is a link to a comment from a year ago that is both racist and sexist: https://www.reddit.com/r/opieandanthony/comments/36mx0n/redd... The Chairman Pao nickname was used to draw comparisons between Ellen Pao and Chairman Mao. Yeah, not racist at all.

Is it racist to compare a white male leader to Hitler?

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by drewrv »

Torgo wrote: post #3

>It is time to rethink the “good leader” prototype of being masculine, dictatorial, and charismatic. Good luck, there's a reason those attributes are dominant.

I doubt the reason is that those traits make a good leader. More likely its's because we're all 96% chimpanzee.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by ftrflyr »

sametmax wrote: post #18

How many white or black do you see in a leadership position in China ? In India ? In Thailand ? This is not an american thing.

I agree. Articles such as this are divisive and lead to polarizing viewpoints. Perhaps it is time we hire and promote based on ability and not race, gender, color, etc.

edit: You can down vote me all you want. Every single person that does is out of touch with reality. As such, this is a clear example as to why Trump was elected. Downvoters will need to change their attitudes are get left behind. We are in fact, moving towards a more conservative country dynamic.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by chrisco255 »

Statistical fallacies abound in this article. One thought I had while reading it, is that what is the average tenure in those companies among Asians vs. whites? It can take years to get into leadership roles. Leadership numbers are lagging indicators. A lot of immigration has occurred in the last 15 years, especially with the H1-B visas and my theory is that Asian makeup of companies has increased steadily in that time frame.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by ftrflyr »

throwaw12ay wrote: post #16

America has this weird obsession with race and dividing everything by race. Since when "Asian" is a race? It's so weird that people in US need to choose their race on a form when applying for college or even for a job, or on a census. So you can't be just american, you need to be Asian american or something american, like being american is not enough to constitute a nationality or an identity.

No need for a throw away here. The US has been far too liberal / progressive for too long. The scale will tip back to conservative for the next 4 - 8+ years I predict. This is natural.

Also, take a look at Canada (a 3 party system). Anytime liberals go too far left, the conservatives reel them back in. Anytime conservatives go too far right, the liberals reel them back in. A third party (independent) ensures this process happens. We (the US) as a two party system will always go through either being too far left or right. This is why there needs to be a third party.

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Post by callinyouin »

sametmax wrote: post #18

How many white or black do you see in a leadership position in China ? In India ? In Thailand ? This is not an american thing.

It might not be, but consider the demographics. Asian Americans make up 5.6% of the population (according to Wikipedia). In any of the countries listed, white/black people surely make up a much, much smaller percentage.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by ftrflyr »

callinyouin wrote: post #28
sametmax wrote: post #18

How many white or black do you see in a leadership position in China ? In India ? In Thailand ? This is not an american thing.

It might not be, but consider the demographics. Asian Americans make up 5.6% of the population (according to Wikipedia). In any of the countries listed, white/black people surely make up a much, much smaller percentage.

It is inaccurate to use the total 5.6% here. What percentage of the 5.6% depicts Asian males who are an appropriate age to hold a leadership position? I am certain the percentage is drastically lower; 0 - 1% perhaps.

Re: Why Aren’t There More Asian Americans in Leadership Positions?

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Post by drewrv »

throwaw12ay wrote: post #16

America has this weird obsession with race and dividing everything by race. Since when "Asian" is a race? It's so weird that people in US need to choose their race on a form when applying for college or even for a job, or on a census. So you can't be just american, you need to be Asian american or something american, like being american is not enough to constitute a nationality or an identity.

The US has a long and nasty history of racism. We need to collect racial data in order to see if we're fixing it or not. To refuse on principal to collect race data in education or criminal justice would obscure real problems and be akin to burying our head in the sand.
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