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Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by greglindahl »

fgm842 wrote: post #18
meteoricrise wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so in your claimed expert opinion, depressed kids are depressed because of the parents actions; and their parents won't ever give a shit. But so what? Why write that? The folks doing this research know more than you do about the causes of their depression; and they know more than you do about the difficulties in addressing any causes. But unlike you, instead of implying that they're foolish for trying to make the…

I don't he or she meant it that way, the OP said "from personal experience". Your response was uncalled for...

One of the biggest problems with how our society deals with depression is "from personal experience".

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by stephengillie »

cairo_x wrote: post #13

I can attest to this. Grew up with Bipolar II, and Christmas was always the worst due to the dissonance of the joy around you and your own bad feelings. Birthdays were worse, because then you couldn't escape the attention. I specifically requested to stop having birthday parties -rather to just have a small family dinner. I think my parents were just baffled, thought I was moody/cynical. I really wish I was diagnosed…

> I think my parents were just baffled, thought I was moody/cynical.

> There needs to be a blood test, or something like it, rather than having to rely on baffled parents, or patients who might not even realize certain symptoms are even worth bringing up at all.

And that's relying on the parents to even be looking for issues in their offspring. If they're narcissistic, the child could go undiagnosed.

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by ars »

gomijacogeo wrote: post #14

“If they’re persistently sad, irritable or less motivated, those are markers that may indicate depression, even in kids as young as 3 or 4, and we would recommend that parents get them evaluated.” Speaking from personal experience, if a 3 or 4 year old is displaying symptoms of depression, there's shit happening at home and the parents are neck-deep in denial about their role and pigs will fly before they get help fo…

> Speaking from personal experience, if a 3 or 4 year old is displaying symptoms of depression, there's shit happening at home

That isn't always true. Some people are depressed without an external cause.

It's easier if there is an external cause: Fix the cause, fix the depression.

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by fgm842 »

greglindahl wrote: post #21
fgm842 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't he or she meant it that way, the OP said "from personal experience". Your response was uncalled for...

One of the biggest problems with how our society deals with depression is "from personal experience".

You're overgeneralizing on how society deals with depression. Just because the OP said it does not mean you and I agree with him/her.

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by fgm842 »

gomijacogeo wrote: post #14

“If they’re persistently sad, irritable or less motivated, those are markers that may indicate depression, even in kids as young as 3 or 4, and we would recommend that parents get them evaluated.” Speaking from personal experience, if a 3 or 4 year old is displaying symptoms of depression, there's shit happening at home and the parents are neck-deep in denial about their role and pigs will fly before they get help fo…

Depression is caused by more than just external events. Yes, based on personal experience, but there are more factors to be considered and fixing one issue may not solve the problem.

"Rather, depression has many possible causes, including faulty mood regulation by the brain, genetic vulnerability, stressful life events, medications, and medical problems."[0](https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/what-causes-dep...)

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by csydas »

douche wrote: post #4
wapz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a better take away is the reverse. If you are rewarding children in your class (or your kids) and one is not enthusiastic then you should take note there might be a problem (essentially the first sentence of the article).

I'd be very careful here. Perhaps the particular reward is not perceived by the child as a reward? I can think of any number of things that one party might perceive as a reward that would be, to me, uncomfortable or meh.

Well, I think the research per the article tried to compensate for this by letting the children choose what would be the reward before hand, so theoretically, they're playing for something they actually want, not just party favors.

I'm not clever enough to know exactly how this could introduce a bias into this particular experiment (that is, how such an operation would affect the response of depressed children), but I suppose it could.

Frankly speaking I feel like the general premise is probably true, though the how on it is still unclear. I know extremely low self-esteeem and disbelief in adulation/rewards was pretty common for me when I was much deeper into depression. Even now I tend to be pretty dismissive of acknowledgements and rewards.

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by meriobrudar »

Wait, so they had kids choose a door and there was a 50% chance they get a point or lose a point? And that's what constitutes scientific research these days?

Did they even account for the kids figuring out that whether they win or lose is completely random and there's no skill or pattern involved? You know, like "what's even the point of trying if it's all random anyway"? Maybe that's why some kids weren't thrilled to get a point, because there was literally no effort required to get it, pure chance.

I don't know what the "scientists" expected, but I don't know a single person who goes into euphoria after they win a coin flip. Geez, they might all be at risk of clinical depression!!!!!!!

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by tdkl »

meriobrudar wrote: post #27

Wait, so they had kids choose a door and there was a 50% chance they get a point or lose a point? And that's what constitutes scientific research these days? Did they even account for the kids figuring out that whether they win or lose is completely random and there's no skill or pattern involved? You know, like "what's even the point of trying if it's all random anyway"? Maybe that's why some kids weren't thrilled t…

Well obedient consumers should behave like that.

Also did you check lately, maybe you're clinically depressed considering your lack of enthusiasm of the evalution method. /s

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by gomijacogeo »

gomijacogeo wrote: post #14

“If they’re persistently sad, irritable or less motivated, those are markers that may indicate depression, even in kids as young as 3 or 4, and we would recommend that parents get them evaluated.” Speaking from personal experience, if a 3 or 4 year old is displaying symptoms of depression, there's shit happening at home and the parents are neck-deep in denial about their role and pigs will fly before they get help fo…

Fine. A more reasoned response might be to assert that in at least some cases, young children exhibiting signs of depression are reacting to severe problems at home. In those cases, expecting the parents to pursue treatment for the child might be overly optimistic. It might have been nice if the article had mentioned that as a potential complicating factor and how other, less immediate family or friends might notice these signs and find ways to facilitate some kind of evaluation or intervention. How's that?

Re: Depressed children respond differently to rewards than other kids

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Post by ggggtez »

meriobrudar wrote: post #27

Wait, so they had kids choose a door and there was a 50% chance they get a point or lose a point? And that's what constitutes scientific research these days? Did they even account for the kids figuring out that whether they win or lose is completely random and there's no skill or pattern involved? You know, like "what's even the point of trying if it's all random anyway"? Maybe that's why some kids weren't thrilled t…

So you're saying you didn't read the article then. Or you don't believe that gambling excites people. I look forward to your scientific paper where you try to reproduce the result.
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