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Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by msandford » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:45 PM UTC

tobltobs wrote: post #10

1024core wrote: post #6

Exactly! Yet another politician who goes against common sense and does the exact opposite of what he said on the campaign trail. And people wonder why Trump won?!? Edit: Are there people on HN who'll downvote anything with the string "Trump" in it? Not that I care about downvotes (it's just an int in some volatile memory on some server), but I'm surprised people would downvote without even reading.

"And people wonder why Trump won?!?" Because they where so dumb to believe the rubbish Trump said?

Obviously, but also very fed up with politicians who say "nice" things and then fail to follow through.

I suspect that a large part of why Trump got as much support as he did is that people thought "this guy is a loose canon, maybe stuff will actually happen"

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by imgabe » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:45 PM UTC

tobltobs wrote: post #19

imgabe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, when he said these things during the campaign, they were horrible awful things that made him a lunatic idiot. But, now if he "reconsiders" these horrible idiotic things he's suddenly a backtracking flip-flopper?

Oh, come on. This kind of cheap troll shit on HN is disgusting. But oh, for the case you really don't understand: He "reconsiders" his promises like "drawning the swamp" not his idiotic accusations and lies. You can try to spin this as hard as you want, but it is obvious that everybody who elected Trump for his promises is dumb.

You're not being specific about which promises you're upset about backtracking on. "Jail Hillary" was a promise that he backtracked on, too. So was increased torture.

As far as trolls go, I'm not the one here labeling 60 million people I don't know "dump as bread".

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by Retric » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:45 PM UTC

chimeracoder wrote: post #17

TenOhms wrote: post #13

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Follow the money. Pharma has a lot of it, and they're willing to invest in politics to keep what they have and get even more.

> Follow the money. Pharma has a lot of it, and they're willing to invest in politics to keep what they have and get even more. I don't think it's so simple. Big Tobacco also has a lot of money, and they have even more of an incentive for the federal ban on marijuana to be lifted. They can't really touch it while it's in this grey zone, but it's a huge amount of money that they're itching to get their hands on.

Tobacco is small compared to Pharma. The average american spends over 1,000$ per year on prescription drugs.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:45 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #15

0xfeba wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And people wonder why Trump won?!? The same Trump who's been back-tracking and 'reconsidering' all his campaign promises before he's even spent one day in office? The same people who think that a billionaire placing other billionaires in his cabinet is somehow an "outsider" to the elites and going to help them?

So, when he said these things during the campaign, they were horrible awful things that made him a lunatic idiot. But, now if he "reconsiders" these horrible idiotic things he's suddenly a backtracking flip-flopper?

Not necessarily the same set of things. It's not clear whether he's reconsidered the "wall" yet, for example. He did run as an anti-establishment anti-Goldman Sachs candidate and then appoint lots of ex-GS people to his cabinet: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38269257

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by DennisP » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:45 PM UTC

rubyn00bie wrote: post #11

As the article says, there's nothing really new here. It's more so just making it formal instead of letting people know by having the DEA knock down their door to find out. From the article: "There is no major change in law brought about by the Register item. Rather, it serves to clarify and reinforce the DEA’s position on all cannabis extracts, including CBD oil." I was shocked people were selling CBD oils thinking…

That may be the DEA's consistent position but whether it's a lawful position is in dispute. Also from the article:

Robert Hoban, a Colorado cannabis attorney and adjunct professor of law at the University of Denver, raised the notion that the rule itself may not be lawful. “This action is beyond the DEA’s authority,” Hoban told Leafly in an interview late this afternoon. “The DEA can only carry out the law, they cannot create it. Here they’re purporting to create an entirely new category called ‘marijuana extracts,’ and by doing so wrest control over all cannabinoids. They want to call all cannabinoids illegal. But they don’t have the authority to do that.”

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:47 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #22

tobltobs wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, come on. This kind of cheap troll shit on HN is disgusting. But oh, for the case you really don't understand: He "reconsiders" his promises like "drawning the swamp" not his idiotic accusations and lies. You can try to spin this as hard as you want, but it is obvious that everybody who elected Trump for his promises is dumb.

You're not being specific about which promises you're upset about backtracking on. "Jail Hillary" was a promise that he backtracked on, too. So was increased torture. As far as trolls go, I'm not the one here labeling 60 million people I don't know "dump as bread".

While I'm happy for him to have backtracked on "jail hillary" it's not because he's actually reconsidered the position or now declares her to be innocent; it's simply never mentioned again. Which shows what a cynical thing it was to campaign on in the first place.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by Phlarp » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:48 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #15

0xfeba wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And people wonder why Trump won?!? The same Trump who's been back-tracking and 'reconsidering' all his campaign promises before he's even spent one day in office? The same people who think that a billionaire placing other billionaires in his cabinet is somehow an "outsider" to the elites and going to help them?

So, when he said these things during the campaign, they were horrible awful things that made him a lunatic idiot. But, now if he "reconsiders" these horrible idiotic things he's suddenly a backtracking flip-flopper?

Yes.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by eli_gottlieb » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:51 PM UTC

msandford wrote: post #21

tobltobs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And people wonder why Trump won?!?" Because they where so dumb to believe the rubbish Trump said?

Obviously, but also very fed up with politicians who say "nice" things and then fail to follow through. I suspect that a large part of why Trump got as much support as he did is that people thought "this guy is a loose canon, maybe stuff will actually happen"

>I suspect that a large part of why Trump got as much support as he did is that people thought "this guy is a loose canon, maybe stuff will actually happen"

Oh, stuff will actually happen. Very extremely bad stuff, judging by the behavior and personnel appointments we're seeing out of this Administration so far.

Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:51 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #22

tobltobs wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, come on. This kind of cheap troll shit on HN is disgusting. But oh, for the case you really don't understand: He "reconsiders" his promises like "drawning the swamp" not his idiotic accusations and lies. You can try to spin this as hard as you want, but it is obvious that everybody who elected Trump for his promises is dumb.

You're not being specific about which promises you're upset about backtracking on. "Jail Hillary" was a promise that he backtracked on, too. So was increased torture. As far as trolls go, I'm not the one here labeling 60 million people I don't know "dump as bread".

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Re: New DEA Rule Says CBD Oil Is Really Illegal

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Post by jdmichal » Thu, Dec 15, 2016, 4:53 PM UTC

msandford wrote: post #21

tobltobs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And people wonder why Trump won?!?" Because they where so dumb to believe the rubbish Trump said?

Obviously, but also very fed up with politicians who say "nice" things and then fail to follow through. I suspect that a large part of why Trump got as much support as he did is that people thought "this guy is a loose canon, maybe stuff will actually happen"

> ... people thought "this guy is a loose canon, maybe stuff will actually happen"

There's a very real base of voters who will always vote for "change" until they see whatever they're looking for. They voted for Obama, who even used "hope and change" as a campaign slogan. Then they voted for Trump, because he was the candidate promising change while Clinton was going to be more of the same.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/us/politics/obama-donald-t...