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Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

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Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

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What this article doesn't really clarify is that the author kept picking "Ask me later" in the dialog for the suggestions. It doesn't really make sense for Facebook to just keep letting you "snooze" that transition [keeping all data in two formats, maintaining two Profile formats, more headaches] -- which is why, the fifth time or so you see the dialog, it wants you to make a decision.

[I work for Facebook. My opinions are my own.]

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#22

What this article doesn't really clarify is that the author kept picking "Ask me later" in the dialog for the suggestions. It doesn't really make sense for Facebook to just keep letting you "snooze" that transition [keeping all data in two formats, maintaining two Profile formats, more headaches] -- which is why, the fifth time or so you see the dialog, it wants you to make a decision. [I work for Facebook. My opinio…

But you're not giving him a choice.. Why, after putting it off "too many," times, does it not give the choice to NOT link and not be asked anymore?

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#23
post #16

I was actually really annoyed by Facebook's new linking of profile items, but not at all because of privacy issues. (I really don't care if anyone sees the things I put on Facebook). I initially chose NOT to link any of my profile interests to their respective pages. I have no problem giving Facebook data for their open graph project; my fear was that I would soon be inundated with dozens of news feed items from all…

If you unchecked everything in the dialog, it warned you that everything would be deleted off your Profile. Did this not happen? The majority of interests you would've been linked to would not give you News Feed items (they're "voiceless" Pages).

I wasn't warned. I scanned the dialogue page to see if there was any information, but couldn't find anything. I definitely could have missed a text block if it were either at the very top or bottom of the page and of normal font-size. But I certainly didn't see anything like, 'WARNING! By not linking to these items they will be removed from your profile. Are you sure you want to continue?', which is something I usually experience before things are deleted.

I understand fully that most of my profile items aren't actually associated with pages, or may be pages that don't post. But even taking that into consideration, there were still likely a few dozen (popular shows and bands, for example that I am positive have a presence on Facebook) that likely would be posting to my feed. I estimate I only added back 1/4 of the interests I had before, and about 10 of those posted on my feed today. It's fine because I can just hide them and actually obtain the settings I want, but it was a bit of a process.

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I list gay marriage and other socially liberal causes. I'm sure that some socially conservative HR managers that look at my pages will not choose me for a contracting gig. Is it foolish? Perhaps, but simultaneously they were signals that I wished to send out for other reasons. Similarly, people who include the tea party should not be discriminated against in employment. Yet people will do this subconsciously.

You can choose to not display your interests on your Profile. They are still "public", but hidden on your Profile.

i have no idea what the hell that means, and quite frankly, therein lies facebook's problem.

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#25
post #11

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AFAIK^^ interests on new profiles are set as "Friends Only" by defaults and that was one of the defaults on the previous privacy rollout for pre-existing users after the cry out. All this does is change how the interests actually link (They used to be linked to a search field seeing who else had that text, Now they link to pre-formatted fan pages which still show who else like it but with descriptions from Wikipedia.…

Don't you love that you need a second FB account to check whether your privacy settings are actually in effect? It's indicative of how difficult it is to understand the privacy settings that are offered. Part of the reason Facebook is able to get away with so much of this is that when you are logged into Facebook, it never occurs to you how much of your information is being shown to other people; it's like a crowd of…

wish they could somehow colour code things, maybe a toggle to colour code private/public stuff

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#26

With this move, Facebook is turning many of your before-private profile fields into now-public "Page" connections. Any most users don't realize by clicking that blue button they are making everything public.

Did you read the three sentences on the top of that dialog? The third one reads, "Remember, your Pages are public". There is a more detailed explanation linked off of the "Learn more" link. [I work for Facebook, but my opinions are my own].

Yes, that sentence does seek to inform users that their new Page connections are public -- especially those you take the time to read the dialog.

However, in the last few days I've run across many Facebook users who chose to make these public connections when previously they had their interests and likes private. I suspect most of them clicked through the dialog without reading it or fully understanding the ramifications of their actions.

You could argue that the user's ignorance and lack of reading available explanation is their problem, but it just seems a little unethical (on the grounds of previously knowing average users will click through dialogs) overall.

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#27
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you unchecked everything in the dialog, it warned you that everything would be deleted off your Profile. Did this not happen? The majority of interests you would've been linked to would not give you News Feed items (they're "voiceless" Pages).

I wasn't warned. I scanned the dialogue page to see if there was any information, but couldn't find anything. I definitely could have missed a text block if it were either at the very top or bottom of the page and of normal font-size. But I certainly didn't see anything like, 'WARNING! By not linking to these items they will be removed from your profile. Are you sure you want to continue?', which is something I usual…

You'd have seen something like the image on this link: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebooks_high_pressure...

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can choose to not display your interests on your Profile. They are still "public", but hidden on your Profile.

i have no idea what the hell that means, and quite frankly, therein lies facebook's problem.

This is explained on your Profile settings page: "These settings only control the information people can see on your profile. This information, such as your Pages and list of friends, is still public, so it could appear elsewhere on the site and be accessed by applications you and your friends use."

Here's a more detailed explanation: http://www.facebook.com/privacy/explanation.php

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#29
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you love that you need a second FB account to check whether your privacy settings are actually in effect? It's indicative of how difficult it is to understand the privacy settings that are offered. Part of the reason Facebook is able to get away with so much of this is that when you are logged into Facebook, it never occurs to you how much of your information is being shown to other people; it's like a crowd of…

wish they could somehow colour code things, maybe a toggle to colour code private/public stuff

Try the "Preview my Profile" link on http://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=privacy&section=pe...

Re: Facebook is Getting Orwellian. I Vote Ctrl-W.

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the three sentences on the top of that dialog? The third one reads, "Remember, your Pages are public". There is a more detailed explanation linked off of the "Learn more" link. [I work for Facebook, but my opinions are my own].

Yes, that sentence does seek to inform users that their new Page connections are public -- especially those you take the time to read the dialog. However, in the last few days I've run across many Facebook users who chose to make these public connections when previously they had their interests and likes private. I suspect most of them clicked through the dialog without reading it or fully understanding the ramificat…

I don't understand how it is unethical at all. It is very clearly mentioned, in less than two lines of text, with detailed explanations one click away. What do you suggest instead?
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