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Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by agumonkey »

Yizahi wrote: post #16
agumonkey wrote: post #6

We'll have Fusion reactors before solid and enjoyable printers.

Canon 6030 was surprisingly good. It didn't have any driver issues (unlike other Canon printers that dropped support after 2000/XP) it just works on any Windows version, it doesn't need to reset chip in the cartridge to simulate new cartridge. And it worked for 1.5 years in hellish environment and is still going on - in extremely dusty tent (amount of dust that accumulates in an apartment in several months in one day…

Printers are a bit like cars, not enough genericity. It used to be worth it in the 90s when there was innovation but now it's going backward every time. Everything is coupled where it shouldn't. Fat proprietary drivers, bad interfaces physical and software, coupled network links, cheap tricks to ensure regular costs (ink drm etc); bad mechanics (HP printers are more and more noisy)...

It's mostly a social problem, maybe it's useless since the printing industry is a remain of the xerox administrative era. The amount of prints is very low nowadays.

I'm sure there a nice void for a more humane printer kit, cheaper ink, acceptable open drivers, and more creative usage.

Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by cleeus »

rkangel wrote: post #14
agumonkey wrote: post #6

We'll have Fusion reactors before solid and enjoyable printers.

People just don't seem to realise that moving parts are hard. Phones are incredibly complex but (mostly) just keep working until you drop them on a hard floor. Cars have lots of moving parts and need maintenance. Screens use complicated technology and (mostly) just keep working. Printers have moving parts and break a lot. Moving parts are inherently unreliable. We've just got really used to the incredible reliability…

As a counter example: My Kyocera Mita FS1020-D is working well since 2004. Reliable things (printers) with moving parts can be built.

Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by agumonkey »

rkangel wrote: post #14
agumonkey wrote: post #6

We'll have Fusion reactors before solid and enjoyable printers.

People just don't seem to realise that moving parts are hard. Phones are incredibly complex but (mostly) just keep working until you drop them on a hard floor. Cars have lots of moving parts and need maintenance. Screens use complicated technology and (mostly) just keep working. Printers have moving parts and break a lot. Moving parts are inherently unreliable. We've just got really used to the incredible reliability…

I didn't meant it as a mean time before failure. I don't mind thing breaking with usage, at all. I meant it as headache free tools. These products are bending backward to provide useless crap while ignoring more basic features. Also driver support is short lived now, I had to do ninja stuff to make a 2014 HP printer work on Win10. This kind of things.

Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by MawNicker »

agumonkey wrote: post #23
rkangel wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People just don't seem to realise that moving parts are hard. Phones are incredibly complex but (mostly) just keep working until you drop them on a hard floor. Cars have lots of moving parts and need maintenance. Screens use complicated technology and (mostly) just keep working. Printers have moving parts and break a lot. Moving parts are inherently unreliable. We've just got really used to the incredible reliability…

I didn't meant it as a mean time before failure. I don't mind thing breaking with usage, at all. I meant it as headache free tools. These products are bending backward to provide useless crap while ignoring more basic features. Also driver support is short lived now, I had to do ninja stuff to make a 2014 HP printer work on Win10. This kind of things.

You didn't mean what you said? Did you have a chance to not mean everything you did not say?

Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by agumonkey »

MawNicker wrote: post #25
agumonkey wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't meant it as a mean time before failure. I don't mind thing breaking with usage, at all. I meant it as headache free tools. These products are bending backward to provide useless crap while ignoring more basic features. Also driver support is short lived now, I had to do ninja stuff to make a 2014 HP printer work on Win10. This kind of things.

You didn't mean what you said? Did you have a chance to not mean everything you did not say?

Come on.

Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by vbezhenar »

rkangel wrote: post #14
agumonkey wrote: post #6

We'll have Fusion reactors before solid and enjoyable printers.

People just don't seem to realise that moving parts are hard. Phones are incredibly complex but (mostly) just keep working until you drop them on a hard floor. Cars have lots of moving parts and need maintenance. Screens use complicated technology and (mostly) just keep working. Printers have moving parts and break a lot. Moving parts are inherently unreliable. We've just got really used to the incredible reliability…

My iPhone 4S has 0 moving parts, yet it had failed WiFi after 1 year. My Macbook has 0 moving parts, yet it had failed SSD. My Renault Logan has quite a lot of moving parts, yet I use it for a few years and almost 100 000 kilometers (and that's quite a lot of movement in extremely different weather conditions, from -40 to +40) and I had very minimal maintenance outside of regular oil change.

While I generally agree, the point is, even when there are no moving parts, there's a lot of failure points (temperature, vibrations) and manufacturers will create faulty devices, no matter what. If device is too good, they will cut expenses, until it'll be "good enough".

Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by owenwil »

agumonkey wrote: post #6

We'll have Fusion reactors before solid and enjoyable printers.

Airprint actually works really great. I have a Samsung printer with Airprint + Google Cloud Printing - set it up once, and it just works all the time. Just have to do your research.

Re: Epson customers report Google Cloud Print causing printers to power down

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Post by jftuga »

I am having this problem on an Epson Workforce 645. It stays in a continual boot loop. To fix it, I logged into Cloud Print to delete the printer and also unplugged my access point. This stopped the boot loop. I then did a 'reset all settings' from the printer's touch screen menus. After that, I plugged in my AP again and joined the printer to my WiFi network. I really needed something printed so I enabled Cloud Print again on the printer unaware of the consequences. The boot loop started again. :-(

I was actually thinking it was going to be time to buy a new printer as my WF 645 is very old. I thought the WiFi adapter had gone bad and was causing the boot loop. Apparently this is not the case.

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