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How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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SF Bay area, I've had 3 formal house assessments, & each time they "start with" Zillow et al to look at "reasonable values in the neighborhood". Which seriously affects your ability to refi, etc. So Yeah Zillow has an effect. It's worth it to create a login & enter in your upgrades, so your ZESTIMATE goes up.

Who is doing these "formal assessments"? Are these broker price opinions (performed by a real estate broker)? It seems very odd they would use Zillow data instead of the MLS to find comps.

When you refinance the bank usually hire someone independent to estimate the value of a property.

I did it before Zillow, and they start with the property value as estimated by the city for tax purposed and look at recent sales that are similar in the area, and adjust.

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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While we're at it, lets also figure out why my Zestimate dropped $40k overnight two months ago. If I was planning to sell, I would have a huge problem on my hands. On top of it the Zestimate chart shows no indication that they dropped it $40k. Aiming to fix the number is a fool's game : my "private home estimate" on my owner dashboard is 23% higher. Its a worthless number, and they should stop trying to manipulate th…

From time to time, Zillow rejiggers (that's a technical term) their algorithm, resulting in sudden readjustments of estimates. Given that the Zestimate itself is presented as a fairly wide range, the error margin is hardly hidden.

Also, it is important to remember that no appraiser from Zillow has actually looked at your house; the data is drawn entirely from sales data, public records, and volunteered information. So there's no way it can really account for every factor, nor does it even try. And there's a lag; the market can change faster than Zillow can. It is, at best, a rough ballpark estimate of what's going on in your neighborhood.

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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Zillow isn't accurate for Austin.

Using two identical homes in my neighborhood about 3 doors apart from each other, mine / neighbors.

Zillow - $387,546 / $384,326

Redfin - $417,808 / $420,737

TCAD - $368,876 / 372,802

(Recent Appraisal) $427,000 / (Recent Sale) $429,000

What's worse, is that when I contested my taxes Zillow used the TCAD numbers to lower the value of my home on their site. Uh... Zillow, you know it's in our best interest to contest our taxes, right? Has nothing really to do with the value of our homes... it's a mix of us wanting to pay less and the City / County wanting us to pay more.

I'm sure there are more scientific studies, but for my house I'd say Zillow is ~10% under-market. When I went in to contest my taxes this last year, I was told by a friendly TCAD employee that Redfin numbers were better and that I should use Redfin when trying to cite examples of comparable properties with lower taxable values.

Keep in mind most of the value depends on your realtor's ability to show the house, how well you stage your house, and the number of of interested buyers.

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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I don't have an opinion on whether zestimates are accurate. But this blog post has 9 samples from only 3 cities. And the author seems to be making claims based on that. This is a lame "thought leadership" post as a subtle ad for his company. At least give me 10-20 homes in each of 10-20 cities if you are trying to convince me of something systematic.

Agreed. If you're going to try to do any sort of data-driven study, citing a sample size of 3 houses per market is ineffective and very likely to be misleading.

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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Better question is "how bad are the compared to those of professional appraisers who look at half a dozen comprables?" An even more important question is "how biased (based on who is paying) are those professional appraisers?"

Home appraisal in the real estate market is often not very rigorous. There's a basic set of rules the vast majority of professional appraisers use to derive a market estimate. It's weighted heavily toward "comparable" (homes with similar size, room configuration, etc.) nearby recent sales with adjustments for certain renovations, condition (e.g. deterioration; estimates start from an assumption of "good, working cond…

The standard HUD uniform residential appraisal report requires a cost to build estimate. I have never seen one without that estimate completed. However, I bought a home last month which had 2 different appraisals done on it, and neither one had any weight given to the cost to build. (Despite the fact that the appraiser claims otherwise, I can mathematically prove that there was no weight given to that method.)

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one takes a Zestimate seriously in real estate (not realtors, not banks), so there's no need to create a free competitor. Financing still lives and dies by the professional appriasal; as long as banks prefer that, Zillow has zero pull.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to afford to have a professional appraisal done for every house my realtor showed me. I'm glad you were in a different position.

Comparables are what a Zestimate is without the BS "special sauce" that Zillow makes you think exists. Comparables are free, and based on existing property market data (typically sold similar properties looking back a certain period of time).

https://www.biggerpockets.com/rei/real-estate-comps-house-va...

Yet again the tech community believing a problem exists to be solved that has already been solved.

> In most markets comparables are acquired through an MLS database, and access to MLS is usually not free.

This is true; you need to pay for access to the data source (no different than having to pay for access to equities market data). Redfin succeeds at this because they're a brokerage that happens to be a tech company, unlike Zillow who tries to just pay for feeds (that usually have stale data).

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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As far as I can tell, Zestimate works by taking prices of recently sold nearby houses and then estimate gain over previously sold prices or the property tax estimates. If Zillow wasn't in the picture, you would likely do the same thing. This obviously would generate inaccurate estimates if house wasn't in market since many years or if nearby houses are too different or too few. Another source of inaccuracy is that they don't seem to take in account school zoning very well. So house in good school area can inflate price of nearby house which doesn't have same school.

In my experience, Zillow has played big part in house pricing. Seller in hot market will almost always set the max of Zestimate and price in their mind. That prices decreases only slowly over time if buyers don't show up. In hot market usually some sucker will show up anyway and Zestimate becomes self-fulfilling prophecy.

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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This article failed to compare Zestimates to any of the numerous competing estimation services and also neglected to mention that the primary competition for these computed estimates is intuition of Realtors and brokers.

Re: How Bad Are Zillow “Zestimates”?

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At some point my home was converted to a duplex, and converted back into a single family home before I bought it. I've tried multiple times to get Zillow to fix the listing but they've been "unable" to do even such a simple thing...

I suspect their data quality is pretty terrible if they're unable to do any curation, so it's no wonder the zestimates are all over the place.

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