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Someone should explain the author the difference between racism and a stereotype (linked meme picture).
I would also consider the image racist in any case, it's just not the most racist thing in that thread.
Everyone I don't like is Hitler!
But when we're discussing a community that has an iron cross as it's logo and requires members read "The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem" prior to posting... At some point the comparison becomes valid.
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I would be perfectly happy if these "free speech lovers" were to decamp en masse for Voat.
Just because you disagree with their opinion does not mean you should want to kick them out. They are not acting upon their views in any way that affects you. Totally free expression is crucial and in no way will it affect you physically. I disagree with almost everything they stand for, but their presence is crucial for an open discussion of issues in our global societies.
I don't see why the admins don't just edit the posts? No need to ban things.
If Reddit can not handle free speech, Voat will. Once Voat is overrun by the enemies of free expression, someone else will take the helm and continue. Such is the nature of a free Internet.
Yes. The alt-right and the_donald reddit community members can move to a less-popular platform, but that doesn't necessarily mean that platform has just become more popular. It means the loudest, most-obnoxious people have just lost their Reddit audience. When 1% of commenters are making 90% of the posts, that's no longer a dialogue and that drives away readers. Encouraging polite dialogue and policing abusive behaviors are smart business moves for Reddit and Twitter.
Everyone I don't like is Hitler!
If your movement is based upon, and shares many, many ideals with (Or contains people with) both fascist philosophies, and movements such as the neo-nazis, the KKK, etc. then it is correct to put you under that banner, no?
The problem is, these philosophies are adopted because they are both poisonous and insidious. They cope very well with rational debate because the techniques employed manage to make whoever is attempting to use rational logic look like a fool. Not to mention, that these people tend to use throwaway accounts -- you can kick one for spamming someone with racism, but they will just move on to a new account and start again. This, coupled with the fact that these people feed on arguments, makes it difficult to moderate such a community.
You cannot argue with toxic people, you cannot negotiate with them, because they will play you as the fool. You can really only use the banhammer and hope they don't try and call their friends into the game.
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Just because you disagree with their opinion does not mean you should want to kick them out. They are not acting upon their views in any way that affects you. Totally free expression is crucial and in no way will it affect you physically. I disagree with almost everything they stand for, but their presence is crucial for an open discussion of issues in our global societies.
> Just because you disagree with their opinion does not mean you should want to kick them out I don't see why the admins don't just edit the posts? No need to ban things.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just because you disagree with their opinion does not mean you should want to kick them out. They are not acting upon their views in any way that affects you. Totally free expression is crucial and in no way will it affect you physically. I disagree with almost everything they stand for, but their presence is crucial for an open discussion of issues in our global societies.
Reddit is under no obligation to support, nurture, or pay for the resources required to keep this up. They are under no obligation to implicitly condone this content, as they have taken on an editorial role in the past and now anything they don't ban is in contrast to those things they have. As you pointed out, it's the web. There are many web hosts that will refuse you service for hosting pornography. That doesn't p…
"Censorship" just forces people underground to talk amongst other people with the same opinions. While it has some kind of measurable effect on preventing impressionable people from being exposed to their opinions, it also prevents people from discussing alternative views with the ones who were "censored". This is a large part of the reason why everyone was blindsided by Trump, the trump supporters were largely either not speaking up due to social penalties for doing so or only talking on-line in forums where other people agreed with them.
If the goal is to "defeat" the alt-right movement, then I don't think it is necessarily obvious that banning them is the right move. As I said though, maybe it is since it does limit exposure to their views which in theory limits their membership.
Note: Scare quoted censorship due to it not being government run which is what people usually mean when they say censorship.
throw r/the_donald in there with them
Yes! Lets silence the opinions of everyone we disagree with! Lets take away their places to talk so they have to skulk in the shadows! Lets pretend there's no merit to listening to the thoughts of millions of people! Why stop with removing their access to Reddit? Why not make it downright illegal to talk about it? Why don't we make it illegal to think about it, too? I'm exceptionally left-leaning and I don't agree wi…
Do not worry. These people still have their freedom of speech, they are free to spray paint swastikas in bathrooms and put threatening letters through the doors of American citizens, but they will no longer be able to preach their philosophies on Reddit.
Who cares? The overwhelming majority of redditors subsist on photos of animals and drawings of video game characters. Just leave if reddit isn't friendly to your particular proclivities. If you hate fat people, liberals, feminists and BLM activists there are many places on the internet where you can find common cause.
If Reddit can not handle free speech, Voat will. Once Voat is overrun by the enemies of free expression, someone else will take the helm and continue. Such is the nature of a free Internet.
Ironic that you've made this comment on HackerNews, a site, it can be argued, whose appeal comes from its pretty substantial moderation. I can't tell you how many links I've seen flagged and banished from HN that I thought were important, but... once I cooled down my outrage, I realized the conversations occurring on them were pretty toxic. I come to HN because of the focus and constructive dialogue. I stay away from…
No advertiser is interested in putting out their message right where a random guy can immediately reply with "LIAR!" for everyone to see.