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Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
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Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#22The only people I know defending Adobe and Flash are Flash developers and Adobe itself. Everybody else tolerates Flash begrudgingly. I miss a few flash games here and there on my iPhone. Beyond that, good riddance. Flash is the RealPlayer of the decade.
I am so glad you used that metaphor.
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#23I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform. That m…
Hypocrisy is not reserved for moral claims. Jobs could be making a virtue out of openness (I'm not sure he is) or saying one thing in public and acting differently in private. Both of which, without moral claims, could cause him to be a hypocrite. Jobs could be called a hypocrite in two different senses depending on how cynical you are.
I'll concede that the claim does not need to be moral, but it should, at least, be a claim about what ought to be or what one ought to do.
It's not enough, for example, for me to wax eloquent about how much I love the color green while I'm wearing a purple shirt. It is possible, after all, to love both open models and closed models in different contexts.
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#24I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform. That m…
The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest
And Mac apps. iTunes and Final Cut Pro are still 32-bit Carbon, with no indication of that changing anytime soon.
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? I leave mine running for weeks on end with no issues. I try to keep it up to date but usually let the updates stew for a month before upgrading. iTunes is indispensable software for me, and I don't own an iPhone, iPad, iPod or any of that. Nor do I use it for purchasing music. Strictly as a music organizer/player, I think it is fantastic and integrates perfectly with the operating system. That being said, the…
I was just counting seconds the other day (iTunes, modern x86 mac, 40k songs or so) Managing iPhone, changing tabs, 5 seconds of beachball. Go to iTunes store, 23 seconds of frozen app. Trying to see if I have new podcasts while downloading music: 12 seconds of beachball. If you EVER see a beachball on a Mac then either your hardware is failing or your application's programmer has failed. Your programmer should NEVER…
Beachball aside, why does it take 100 billion cpu clock cycles to switch from one tab to another?
Because 90% of those cycles are spent in other processes while your kernel is waiting for your blocking I/O to finish, and 5% or more of the rest are taken by the kernel to let other tasks run.
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#26The author openly conceeds the points that consumers will actually care about - performance, security, and proprietary nature. It's hard to claim that it's a "marketing trick to pull the wool over the eyes of consumers" when you agree with large tracts of the author's argument. Their main point, that he's somehow a hypocrite because Apple haven't used the latest tech for everything, entirely misses the point he's mak…
I think he mostly argues about the fact that Jobs stated Flash not being and open standard as a reason not to support it. I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been an open standards company and as the author points out, they've mostly stated this for marketing purposes while not fully embracing the idea.
I hope we can all agree that Apple has never really been
an open standards company
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#27I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform. That m…
I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. Indeed, "tu quoque" fail abounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Merriam Webster defines hypocrisy thus:
"feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion"
I'd say Apple's lambasting of Adobe for failing to provide open & reliable cross-platform software fits the bill perfectly. Steve's critique of Flash can be both accurate and hypocritical at the same time.
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#28I was wholly expecting his argument to address this quote:
If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers.
with respect to "private api" arguments made here: http://www.marco.org/500743718
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#29I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. The claim here appears to be that since Apple ships Windows apps that don't use that platform to its fullest, Jobs cannot claim that least-common-denominator middleware is unhealthy for a platform. That m…
Is it not hypocritical to hold others to higher standards than one demonstrates?
I see a normative claim:
Software systems should do X, Y, and Z
It sure seems like hypocrisy to me, even if it is defensible.
Re: Jobs on Flash: Hypocrisy So Thick You Could Cut it with a Knife
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish I knew why the concept of hypocrisy is so difficult to grasp that people are prone to apply it incorrectly. Maybe people just don't understand when someone is making a moral statement, and when someone isn't. Indeed, "tu quoque" fail abounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
Merriam Webster defines hypocrisy thus: "feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion" I'd say Apple's lambasting of Adobe for failing to provide open & reliable cross-platform software fits the bill perfectly. Steve's critique of Flash can be both accurate and hypocritical at the same time.
Steve's critique of Flash can be both accurate and hypocritical at the same time.
Great point, actually.