Wouldn't a voting system that let people confirm that their vote is taken into account be trivial to implement?
I can't believe we still rely on trust for this kind of thing.
Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine
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#22Why hasn't some state used a hash to allow trustworthy online voting? They could add a unique id on the back of your driver's license and then allow you to use your unique id to generate anonymous/one time use id's. They could then have a publicly accessible server that at all time displays a column with anonymous id, vote and every person can verify that their personal vote is correctly displayed.
If everyone can verify their votes, then they can sell their votes. E.g. A knows A's hash, and A can show X that A's hash voted for X, so that X will give A $20.
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#24Why do Americans use voting machines exactly? I mean, it just prints out their choice at the end right? What benefit do they actually gain from having pressed buttons instead of using a pen? It just seems to fuel the hacking conspiracy every time a president is elected. In the UK we turn up, go into the booth with the paper slip, and tick our choice with a pen. Then we fold it and post it into a container which later…
Hi Hacker_9. In Texas, where I vote, the machines don't even print paper. We just have to trust that the machine correctly recorded our vote. The reasons for the machines are, 1. cost cutting over manual counts, 2. profiteering by well connected companies, 3. And potentially making sure only the "right" votes count, although that part isn't proven. In California we were able to vote at home with a mail-in, paper ball…
Mail-in ballots are the devil, they allow vote-buying. It happens with regularity that elections are annulled in ethnic enclaves in the UK over that. Elections don't have to be convenient, first of all they have to be safe.
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#25Why do Americans use voting machines exactly? I mean, it just prints out their choice at the end right? What benefit do they actually gain from having pressed buttons instead of using a pen? It just seems to fuel the hacking conspiracy every time a president is elected. In the UK we turn up, go into the booth with the paper slip, and tick our choice with a pen. Then we fold it and post it into a container which later…
Every state in America (and even different counties within states) vote differently. I voted on paper and it was put in a box to be counted in a central location. This takes forever and they just now are finishing up counting. Electronic voting is a lot quicker and cheaper to count. I'd argue that the best system is one in which you vote on paper but it's counted electronically at the polling booth. That way there's…
That's how it worked where I voted. We made our selections on a touch screen and it printed a ballot for us to check.
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#26It's interesting to view recent events in the US as a crisis of measurement. The news media measured the voting public with polling samples, we then measured the voting public with a vast government apparatus. Clearly, the measurements did not agree. Logically there are three possibilities: the media was right, the polls were right, or neither were right. It's actually quite a good thing that we start to speak openly…
The idea that an electoral poll incorporates a random error (and maybe a systematic one too) is alien to the discussion about recounts etc.
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#27Why hasn't some state used a hash to allow trustworthy online voting? They could add a unique id on the back of your driver's license and then allow you to use your unique id to generate anonymous/one time use id's. They could then have a publicly accessible server that at all time displays a column with anonymous id, vote and every person can verify that their personal vote is correctly displayed.
Your scheme seems vulnerable to vote buying, e.g., $20 to vote for my candidate, but you have to show me your number so I can check.
But vote buying is already rampant. Politicians already buy votes - promising benefits to key voting demographics, promising more or higher paying jobs for civil servants or the military, or promising lobby groups favourable laws/taxes/aid. Democracies are practically based around vote buying already. So your concern seems strange.
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#28Wouldn't a voting system that let people confirm that their vote is taken into account be trivial to implement? I can't believe we still rely on trust for this kind of thing.
Here are some links I've found useful:
Wikipedia page on End-to-End Auditable Voting Systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_auditable_voting_sy....
Ron Rivest slide deck from March 2016. Auditability and Verifiability of Elections https://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/pubs/Riv16x.pdf
Re: Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine
#29Why hasn't some state used a hash to allow trustworthy online voting? They could add a unique id on the back of your driver's license and then allow you to use your unique id to generate anonymous/one time use id's. They could then have a publicly accessible server that at all time displays a column with anonymous id, vote and every person can verify that their personal vote is correctly displayed.
Because regularly people don't trust computer scientists...or math (if it's too complex, and hashes definitely are).
And they trust the current blackbox more?
The reality is, people have no choice.
Re: Edward Snowden Demonstrates How Easy It Is to Hack a Voting Machine
#30Why do Americans use voting machines exactly? I mean, it just prints out their choice at the end right? What benefit do they actually gain from having pressed buttons instead of using a pen? It just seems to fuel the hacking conspiracy every time a president is elected. In the UK we turn up, go into the booth with the paper slip, and tick our choice with a pen. Then we fold it and post it into a container which later…
You are still using a voting machine, but you've just introduced a shitty paper input that needs to be scanned into the machine. The counting machine is a voting machine. It can be hacked. The only benefit is that you have a paper record that can be corroborated if there is evidence of hacking later. But we could do a printout paper record on voting machines too. You'd be surprised how many of those paper ballots don…
Sure that happens to a small portion, if the result is close enough though you can go back over them by hand.
The difference is that the voting machine makes it possible to hack the paper trail.