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Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recount is different from rejection of results. It was unclear whether he was anticipating a legal fight or simply planning on ignoring the counts. My guess is that he wanted to lose so that he could focus on making noise and have no responsibility.

> Recount is different from rejection Recount is also different then acceptance. This recount is purely academic. You would have to alter tens of thousands of votes across several states to change this election's outcome. No harm in being academic I suppose. Hope the millions are worth it.

If you know the method, it seems like you should be able to alter an arbitrary number of votes. I wouldn't think they'd have to alter them one at a time or anything.

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recount is different from rejection of results. It was unclear whether he was anticipating a legal fight or simply planning on ignoring the counts. My guess is that he wanted to lose so that he could focus on making noise and have no responsibility.

Why would anyone put so much time and money into an activity they hope to lose? I think the whole issue was created to make him look bad. "Hey, if you lose, will you accept the results?" After Gore/Bush, I don't know if anybody would immediately say "Yes" without thinking about the possibility of questionable things happening. Would you accept the results of an election with fraud? Until the election happens, you can…

> money

He loaned $45 million and gave less than $10 million, but mostly as in-kind gifts not cash. He said back in 2000 he could run for president and make money from the campaign. I think he succeeded, depending on the interest rate of that loan. He spent a bunch of campaign funds by buying from his own businesses.

> time and money

Maybe he just wanted to be on TV.

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Recount is different from rejection Recount is also different then acceptance. This recount is purely academic. You would have to alter tens of thousands of votes across several states to change this election's outcome. No harm in being academic I suppose. Hope the millions are worth it.

Let's not pretend this is some altruistic "academic" endeavor to satiate some curiosity. This is a thought-out play borne out of the rejection of the election result by the left.

Don't you think a significant difference between districts where everything is similar except for the voting mechanism, with a trend to favor a specific candidate on one hard-to-audit mechanism is suspicious?

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Recount is different from rejection Recount is also different then acceptance. This recount is purely academic. You would have to alter tens of thousands of votes across several states to change this election's outcome. No harm in being academic I suppose. Hope the millions are worth it.

If you know the method, it seems like you should be able to alter an arbitrary number of votes. I wouldn't think they'd have to alter them one at a time or anything.

A manipulation should stay below the threshold of noise to be inconspicuous.

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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Looks like it is going to happen. The fundraising is getting close to its goal and it is over 1.9m, (it was 1.7 just 30 mins ago). https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

it will lead nowhere... but civil war would be interesting!

A rigged election, a civil war interrupted by a Russian nuclear attack. On the bright side, we'll have time travel soon.

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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Basically, this is pretty much academic at this point. Hilary would have to gain enough votes to flip all 3 states. Trump will win the recount. However, this will absolutely enrage his base as they see it as an attempt by the elite to steal the election. Trump seems to be moderating on some of his previous stances, but will likely reverse and be even more extreme after he wins a recount. Also, look for pressure on th…

I noticed the same, Obama and Hillary both started to act very sportsmanlike right after the results. As is appropriate. It's the media and other factors that seem to hold on to a distant dream they once had.

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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post #27

Basically, this is pretty much academic at this point. Hilary would have to gain enough votes to flip all 3 states. Trump will win the recount. However, this will absolutely enrage his base as they see it as an attempt by the elite to steal the election. Trump seems to be moderating on some of his previous stances, but will likely reverse and be even more extreme after he wins a recount. Also, look for pressure on th…

I noticed the same, Obama and Hillary both started to act very sportsmanlike right after the results. As is appropriate. It's the media and other factors that seem to hold on to a distant dream they once had.

What's unsportsmanlike about a recount, especially by a third party candidate that received so few votes? It's not like she's not accepting the results of the election, just challenging the accuracy of the reported results.

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

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I think if there's reason to believe that votes were miscounted or there was fraud, there should be a recount. But I can't help but notice that the media seemed to hammer Trump about the possibility of not accepting the results of the election. I strongly suspect if he were the one demanding a recount it would be treated very differently. It's disappointing that our society so obviously switches its standards based o…

Clinton conceded. She is not the one demanding an audit.

Re: Jill Stein to file for recount in three states

#30
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recount is different from rejection of results. It was unclear whether he was anticipating a legal fight or simply planning on ignoring the counts. My guess is that he wanted to lose so that he could focus on making noise and have no responsibility.

Why would anyone put so much time and money into an activity they hope to lose? I think the whole issue was created to make him look bad. "Hey, if you lose, will you accept the results?" After Gore/Bush, I don't know if anybody would immediately say "Yes" without thinking about the possibility of questionable things happening. Would you accept the results of an election with fraud? Until the election happens, you can…

> A lot of us here have questions about voting machines, people voting who shouldn't, etc.

I thought only Republicans keep continuing the fairy tale of non-citizens voting, which they then use to justify voter suppression of poor people and minorities; which is the actual question this election.

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