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NOTE: The link only appears to work for my old account?? Was I shadow banned? Perhaps banning decenting opinions are a big reason why this election was such a supprise to everyone. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=ttyltrful
Not banned / save the conspiracies for another day / "dissenting" / "surprise"
> The third major failure has been a general apathy about politics amongst my colleagues here in the Bay Area. When many of the best minds in machine learning have decided that the most existential threat to civilization is the rise of Skynet, we have had a major failure of group think. I cannot agree more. I am also in the Bay Area, and I feel surrounded by people who are deeply out of touch with the rest of the cou…
This is the narrative currently being pushed, but let's not forget its weaknesses: - A blue-collar senior in Appalachia is really unlikely to have enough contact with those "liberal college students" to be bothered with their constant references to Judith Butler etc. - If the issue is with racism or homophobia, I don't see a compromise happening: minority rights aren't subject to popular approval. Democracy isn't two…
Agreed, the left has real ideas for solutions to middle America. But these ideas are not what people want, so the burden is to prove that they work. Unfortunately for many of those ideas, such as universal income, it is still too early to say. Meanwhile other ideas, such as the current implementation of healthcare, is actively being rejected by voters after it was tried, i.e. it does not work (they're like a product customers do not buy, even if it's good for them).
You're also right that Trump's voters all not all poor and living in trailer parks (they also weren't all old people). I haven't seen data on socioeconomic background, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were essentially middle of the road. But for good reason, they are afraid for their economic futures. It's a justified fear, and it's good cause for feeling desperate.
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Not banned / save the conspiracies for another day / "dissenting" / "surprise"
Then where is it? Why are my posts missing?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12684780
If you enable "showdead" in your account settings for huffpopo, you should be able to see them.
As for banning dissenting opinions, watching the behavior of sctb and dang, it's pretty clear to me that they ban based on uncivil behavior, not content.
Users on the other hand do sometimes flag or down vote to express disagreement.
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>There is real desperation in this country. That's why Trump is President. People didn't vote for him because they are racist. They voted for him because they worry about putting food on their tables. They worry about being left behind in a world that has fewer and fewer ways for the average Joe to dream about a future. They're angry, rightfully so, and in Trump, they found someone willing to listen How do you square…
I have to assume that many don't want a safety net; they want to be able to be able to support themselves.
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>There is real desperation in this country. That's why Trump is President. People didn't vote for him because they are racist. They voted for him because they worry about putting food on their tables. They worry about being left behind in a world that has fewer and fewer ways for the average Joe to dream about a future. They're angry, rightfully so, and in Trump, they found someone willing to listen How do you square…
Not everyone believes that the solution to poverty is welfare. I imagine many of his voters believe the solution looks more like protectionism. Which is basically what his plan is. I'm not claiming they're right. I'm just claiming that you can be a fiscal conservative and still think you have the solution to poverty.
My impression is that this party is as much against inflation as it is against handouts, while inflation occupies the same niche as trade protectionism in that it can stimulate job growth without seeming like a handout.
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Not banned / save the conspiracies for another day / "dissenting" / "surprise"
Then where is it? Why are my posts missing?
The particular comment you linked (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12863445) seemed reasonable, so I 'vouched' for it. It doesn't look like that was enough to bring it back from the dead, though. You (or anyone else) can see it if you turn on the "Show Dead" option in your profile.
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It does look like ttyltrful was banned. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12684780 If you enable "showdead" in your account settings for huffpopo, you should be able to see them. As for banning dissenting opinions, watching the behavior of sctb and dang, it's pretty clear to me that they ban based on uncivil behavior, not content. Users on the other hand do sometimes flag or down vote to express disagreement.
I'll be quitting HN now. I won't bore anyone with details. All the best.
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This is the narrative currently being pushed, but let's not forget its weaknesses: - A blue-collar senior in Appalachia is really unlikely to have enough contact with those "liberal college students" to be bothered with their constant references to Judith Butler etc. - If the issue is with racism or homophobia, I don't see a compromise happening: minority rights aren't subject to popular approval. Democracy isn't two…
Politics is not just about being right. It's about convincing others you are. That's where the left has failed (if you agree with their positions). Agreed, the left has real ideas for solutions to middle America. But these ideas are not what people want, so the burden is to prove that they work. Unfortunately for many of those ideas, such as universal income, it is still too early to say. Meanwhile other ideas, such…
As others have noted in this subthread, that's not a desired solution for many of these people. They want to earn their money, not "get a handout".
Look at McGovern's 1972 campaign "Demogrant" proposal, $1,000 to every citizen, that's 5,750 in official 2016 BLS CPI dollars.
As I saw them at the time, the most effective political ads against him showed toy soldiers, ships and I assume planes, on a board (maybe of world?), and then a hand wiped off a large fraction of them, putting into visual language his (anti-)defense proposals, which I'll note weren't copied by Jimmy Carter, even before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
But the second most was on the Demogrant, although all I can remember about it is some iron worker, maybe eating his lunch, high up on the side of a building frame, and I think it was in black and white.
I don't think enough Americans have changed, especially the Rust Belt ones that carried him over the top, that universal income is going to fly with them. That you think it has a chance suggests one of us is not in touch with these people. Then again, I find the idea personally abhorrent for what I believe to be the same reasons, but on the third hand I'm pretty old, at least by HN standards.
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Then where is it? Why are my posts missing?
Yes, your previous https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=ttyltrful appears to be banned. Likely, it was after you ignored Scott's warning here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12684066 . Statistically, it's probably a good decision to ban new accounts that start off with two snide comments. The particular comment you linked ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12863445 ) seemed reasonable, so I 'vouched' for…
EDIT: I should point out that the second snide comment was sarcasm on a topic using ML to detect sarcasm and not intended to by snide. Just a little joke for those of us who have worked on this problem.