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Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by kayone » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:51 PM UTC

fnovd wrote: post #11

iplaw wrote: post #4

This article is from March 2015, and shows that the writing has been on the wall for quite a while. The "safe spaces" movement is a plague, and I am sick of it. I hold extremely diverse viewpoints which span the political spectrum. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. How can liberals claim to be accepting of all viewpoints but, in reality, only accept those that align with their pseudo-personal-Utopia outlook…

I don't have a problem with safe spaces. To me, they're like office break rooms. Sometimes you just need a minute to disengage. But, if you're spending your whole day in there, I'm going to question why you show up to work in the first place.

the problem is when you try to make the entire university campus a "safe space"

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by tormeh » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:51 PM UTC

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #9

I am 50+ and this whole safe space movement is really perplexing. No, people should not be subjected to hurtful circumstances, but at the same time, they are a fact of life. Being a world citizen is a dicey proposition, and my gut reaction is that further insulating ourselves is the wrong way to go. I can't imagine how a military comprised of soldiers who have grown up in this movement can be expected to deal with th…

>world citizen

Unsure if I understood you right, but being a world citizen requires a thick skin. It involves, by definition, dealing with other cultures' nasty bits without complaining.

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by vonklaus » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:51 PM UTC

ipnon wrote: post #10

vonklaus wrote: post #2

Nytimes should be banned from HN. It is paywalled and the information is dubiously sourced, if even true. This is not an acceptable source of news nor fact.

If the New York Times is not an acceptable source of news then I'm the President-elect.

This is the same stupid shit as the election. My point is that there is apparent proof of dubious tactics in the wikileaks disclosures, their failure to call te election polling close, and the immeadiate dismissal of the comey announcement.

You can disagree with this evidence, but telling me "you feel" im wrong isnt intellectual.

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by Pigo » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

It's sad that this is old news now. But I'm sure the people who started these universities are still rolling in their graves. These free-thinkers celebrated civil discourse, and built universities to foster the marketplace of ideas. As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by aaronchall » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

weberc2 wrote: post #5

vonklaus wrote: post #2

Nytimes should be banned from HN. It is paywalled and the information is dubiously sourced, if even true. This is not an acceptable source of news nor fact.

It's not paywalled, you just need to authenticate. Not the best, but not paywalled either.

I was blocked. Felt a lot like a paywall to me.

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by st3v3r » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

vonklaus wrote: post #2

Nytimes should be banned from HN. It is paywalled and the information is dubiously sourced, if even true. This is not an acceptable source of news nor fact.

I don't get this argument against "paywalled sources". Do journalists not have the right to try and get paid for their work? Do you enjoy getting paid for your work? Why aren't you working for free for me?

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by ipnon » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:53 PM UTC

11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #9

I am 50+ and this whole safe space movement is really perplexing. No, people should not be subjected to hurtful circumstances, but at the same time, they are a fact of life. Being a world citizen is a dicey proposition, and my gut reaction is that further insulating ourselves is the wrong way to go. I can't imagine how a military comprised of soldiers who have grown up in this movement can be expected to deal with th…

I am 20+ and this trend seems to indicate that people are growing decreasingly familiar with traumatic experiences in their lives, which also seems to indicate a general increase in average quality of life.

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by maxerickson » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:53 PM UTC

iplaw wrote: post #4

This article is from March 2015, and shows that the writing has been on the wall for quite a while. The "safe spaces" movement is a plague, and I am sick of it. I hold extremely diverse viewpoints which span the political spectrum. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. How can liberals claim to be accepting of all viewpoints but, in reality, only accept those that align with their pseudo-personal-Utopia outlook…

My mind is open, much like a sieve.

I find these discussions of tolerance fascinating. The core message of people that preach tolerance is that we shouldn't give people are hard time for views and beliefs that don't harm others, not that we should accept all views and beliefs as being equally useful.

Of course the issue most comes to a head in situations like gay marriage, where a large group of people see it as causing/embracing some sort of moral decay and another group of people doesn't see any harm at all in people loving whoever they are going to love.

The one group wonders why such a harmful thing must be tolerated, while the other group doesn't agree that there is any harm.

People that start talking about tolerating intolerance aren't trying to have a discussion, they are asserting that their views about what is harmful and what is not harmful should have primacy.

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by thequickeninger » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:54 PM UTC

st3v3r wrote: post #18

iplaw wrote: post #4

This article is from March 2015, and shows that the writing has been on the wall for quite a while. The "safe spaces" movement is a plague, and I am sick of it. I hold extremely diverse viewpoints which span the political spectrum. Socially liberal and fiscally conservative. How can liberals claim to be accepting of all viewpoints but, in reality, only accept those that align with their pseudo-personal-Utopia outlook…

You realize that these places are supposed to be breaks where people don't have to deal with others constantly saying they shouldn't exist, right? That's what the LGBTQ spaces are for, that's what the POC spaces are for, and that's what the immigrant spaces are for.

you realize that these people are trying to make the entire campus into a space that people cannot disagree with them, right?

Re: In College and Hiding from Scary Ideas

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Post by st3v3r » Fri, Nov 11, 2016, 6:54 PM UTC

vonklaus wrote: post #23

ipnon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the New York Times is not an acceptable source of news then I'm the President-elect.

This is the same stupid shit as the election. My point is that there is apparent proof of dubious tactics in the wikileaks disclosures, their failure to call te election polling close, and the immeadiate dismissal of the comey announcement. You can disagree with this evidence, but telling me "you feel" im wrong isnt intellectual.

Same with you feeling you're right. And I cannot trust any wikileaks sources, so unless you've got something else, I don't see you backing up your argument.