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Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by andars »

M_Grey wrote: post #15
gozur88 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these the same people who've seen their rates go up 85% in two years? Bloody ingrates!

Well good news! Now you won't have it at all. Wait until you try medical bankruptcy on for size.

I will assume that gozur88 has some source on the 85% increase. If that isn't true, ignore this.

A prerequisite for an 85% increase is some payment beforehand. If they had no health insurance, they wouldn't have been paying for health insurance, and therefore their rates could not increase.

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by gozur88 »

M_Grey wrote: post #15
gozur88 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are these the same people who've seen their rates go up 85% in two years? Bloody ingrates!

Well good news! Now you won't have it at all. Wait until you try medical bankruptcy on for size.

Sure, because anyone can afford $2500/month. It's practically free.

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by venomsnake »

M_Grey wrote: post #18
oldmanjay wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't get to claim the moral high ground and use the tactics of the opposition at the same time.

The only claim of a moral highground here is implicit in that shitpost of an article.

The article gave advanced warning of 6 months. That nobody heeded ...

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by venomsnake »

madaxe_again wrote: post #11
codeonfire wrote: post #6

Well tens of millions of "stupid hicks" are about to lose their health insurance. How is that for a "good fact"? Sorry for being smug.

Walls of flames here today. Suggest we flag political stories - HN is not the place. And that's coming from me .

You can't escape, not today.

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by andars »

M_Grey wrote: post #18
oldmanjay wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't get to claim the moral high ground and use the tactics of the opposition at the same time.

The only claim of a moral highground here is implicit in that shitpost of an article.

Yes, the article isn't very good. In essence, it reverses the direction of "holier than thou".

However, it raises an excellent point. The United States is not going to get anywhere if half the country looks down on the other half as a bunch of plebs, and in response the "plebs" disdain the elites. (I understand that this is a gross simplification, but I have seen this attitude often enough that it is significant).

For me, the article was about the need for mutual respect.

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by vondur »

unixhero wrote: post #24
gozur88 wrote: post #10

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Sulla was an Optimate.

What is that? Roman history? (Genuine question)

An Optimate was a supporter of the Senatorial class who were benefiting from the massive wealth flowing into Rome after conquering the Mediterranean area. This created a huge problem after 100 of thousands of slaves were brought back to Italy and eliminated the small Roman farmers. The populares took advantage of this, but it ended up in civil strife and war for about 80 years.

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by gozur88 »

unixhero wrote: post #24
gozur88 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sulla was an Optimate.

What is that? Roman history? (Genuine question)

The Optimates were members of the ruling class of ancient Rome. They were the aristocracy - old blue-blood families with seats in the Senate. The history gets a little muddy since there were politicians from that class who embraced populism, but Sulla wasn't one of them.

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by M_Grey »

andars wrote: post #26
M_Grey wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only claim of a moral highground here is implicit in that shitpost of an article.

Yes, the article isn't very good. In essence, it reverses the direction of "holier than thou". However, it raises an excellent point. The United States is not going to get anywhere if half the country looks down on the other half as a bunch of plebs, and in response the "plebs" disdain the elites. (I understand that this is a gross simplification, but I have seen this attitude often enough that it is significant). Fo…

There will be no mutual respect here; the schism that began with Reagan, and widened with W. just ripped wide open today. The only thing coming out of this is going to be deepening resentment, and incredible economic hardship.

Ironically, the people who are going to take it most directly in the tuckus, are the people who voted Trump.

Re: The smug style in American liberalism

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Post by M_Grey »

gozur88 wrote: post #22
M_Grey wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well good news! Now you won't have it at all. Wait until you try medical bankruptcy on for size.

Sure, because anyone can afford $2500/month. It's practically free.

Just wait until you have to pony up $3000 for one MRI.
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