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Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by doodyhead » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 12:27 PM UTC

mrmondo wrote: post #13

I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

Found the same on a 2015 rMBP with max specs (Sierra, 16GB RAM, Core i7). It's much less performant with exactly the same VM as VirtualBox.

In fact, it ate my entire CPU while it was running, even when the VM OS (Windows 10) settled down after startup. and was apparently running no CPU-intensive processes.

It also crashed twice in the space of an hour, bringing down the entire VM, necessitating a restart.

Not touching Veertu again for a long time.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by tambourine_man » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 12:56 PM UTC

mrmondo wrote: post #13

I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

Where did you hear that it was being discontinued?

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by stephenr » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:15 PM UTC

rvanmil wrote: post #16

izik_e2 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

www.veertu.com click on the download button in the top right

That's the free version, not the business edition which I paid for in the app store.

The free version has all the paid features now.

I asked the authors on Twitter about this, they said they will be releasing related products soon that will cover their revenue stream.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by nailer » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:18 PM UTC

mrmondo wrote: post #13

I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

Totally different results here. I use a Surface Book now but on my Mac (2013 MBA) Veertu destroyed VMware and VirtualBox for interactive latency.

Ie, VirtualBox and VMware were slow to the point I'd consider them unusable (I'm latency sensitive, eg, I consider Eclipse to the be same and other people think it's fine). Veertu made me actually test in Edge again.

Did you still have VMware or VirtualBox drivers installed? IIRC VMware doesn't actually remove itself when you uninstall it, you have to remove the kmods yourself.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by nailer » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #19

mrmondo wrote: post #13

I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

VMware Fusion isn't discontinued. I might be wrong, but wasn't the last update in September? And you can still buy it from VMware.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_wo...

Entire team got fired, but yes still being maintained from a new team of outsourced devs.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #19

mrmondo wrote: post #13

I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

VMware Fusion isn't discontinued. I might be wrong, but wasn't the last update in September? And you can still buy it from VMware.

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Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by chrismbarr » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:34 PM UTC

raihansaputra wrote: post #9

I know gaming is not the main pull of this, but would this be better than parallels and fusion for gaming?

If you're going to install a 2nd OS on your Mac for gaming purposes (where you want as much performance as possible) you might as well just dual boot it with BootCamp.

I've not used this before, but it sounds like it's fast, but you'll still have the overhead of running 2 OS's at the same time.

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by maykr » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:47 PM UTC

I wonder what are its benefits in comparison to an OSS solution https://github.com/mist64/xhyve Here's the link to the previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9690846

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by izik_e2 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:53 PM UTC

doodyhead wrote: post #21

mrmondo wrote: post #13

I've tried this as I was really excited after hearing about fusions discontinuation and how incredibly poorly performing virtualbox IO and network is. I found it to be even slower than virtualbox which I have no idea how this is possible. Tested on a late 2015 5k iMac top specced and a late 2015 MacBook top specced both running OSX 10.11 at the time. I will re-test the latest version with MacOS 10.12.

Found the same on a 2015 rMBP with max specs (Sierra, 16GB RAM, Core i7). It's much less performant with exactly the same VM as VirtualBox. In fact, it ate my entire CPU while it was running, even when the VM OS (Windows 10) settled down after startup. and was apparently running no CPU-intensive processes. It also crashed twice in the space of an hour, bringing down the entire VM, necessitating a restart. Not touchin…

Maybe it was because windows update was running in the background?

Re: Native virtualization for macOS

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Post by sdegutis » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 1:53 PM UTC

nailer wrote: post #25

mrweasel wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VMware Fusion isn't discontinued. I might be wrong, but wasn't the last update in September? And you can still buy it from VMware.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/27/vmware_fusion_and_wo... Entire team got fired, but yes still being maintained from a new team of outsourced devs.

Whoa. Why in the world could that have happened? Article doesn't really go into any theories.