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Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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I see a parallel with healthy companies and management.

Healthy companies don't avoid thinking about problems, don't subsist solely on interpersonal praise, and don't succeed based on "if we do our best, then we're doing a good job."

I imagine too many young startups and companies fall into this trap of always wanting to feel like they are doing a good job, both in self scrutiny and scrutiny of employees.

That's not to say I think managers should constantly harp on employees to spur them along, or that founders should constantly berate themselves. But it's harder than it seems to dole out negative feedback, for some people at least. We like to talk about being results oriented and merit based, but it's easier just to say everyone is doing great and trying, which can kill a company before it starts. And maybe only in the post mortem do we take time to analyze if we were doing the right things and doing them enough.

Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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I watched a documentary about heroin addiction in a wealthy northeast U.S. town. I recall being struck at how the parents of the addicts presented in the documentary (who were all young) talked about how all of their kids were always so happy as children. Then, when interviewing the addicts, there was a clear recurring theme that they wanted to do drugs because they could not handle the pain of being off drugs. I did…

"So happy as little children" seems to be a recurring line in nearly ever episode of Intervention I've ever seen I usually assume that the parents are pretty poor historians Or that people aren't very good at figuring out when little kids aren't happy I have trouble believing that happy childhood are correlated with later life problems

Or that an unhappy childhood leading to later addiction might seem unremarkable and go unmentioned? (In general, not necessarily this documentary.)

Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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I watched a documentary about heroin addiction in a wealthy northeast U.S. town. I recall being struck at how the parents of the addicts presented in the documentary (who were all young) talked about how all of their kids were always so happy as children. Then, when interviewing the addicts, there was a clear recurring theme that they wanted to do drugs because they could not handle the pain of being off drugs. I did…

"So happy as little children" seems to be a recurring line in nearly ever episode of Intervention I've ever seen I usually assume that the parents are pretty poor historians Or that people aren't very good at figuring out when little kids aren't happy I have trouble believing that happy childhood are correlated with later life problems

I was in therapy years ago.

I told by the Therapist, "I didn't have a bad childhood."

I was basically tired of talking, and just wanted a drug to calm my brain down.

She told me patients whom had bad childhoods, actually had bad/subpar childhoods, in many cases."

That's about all I got out of the sessions. She just got her MFCC, and was very honest, and seemed to care. She was pregnant, and in some sessions we would be both crying together. She was actually the only Therapist I liked. I think because she was young, and took her job seriously.

I look back, and I don't think I had a bad childhood. I had typical Irish American/Mexican parents. I was the oldest, and was expected to do things differently, but my chilhood wasn't terrible.

Anyhow, I did look it up, and supposedly children from tough backrounds tend to think they had great childhoods, with all the usual exceptions that accompany Psychology.

I will honestly never know in my case. I refused to blame my parents. My father was a piece of work though.

When I got older, I basically didn't want to turn into him, and I haven't yet.

Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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post #9

LOL. Pop-science today! More than a half of the text are references to another "studies" to convey the fundamental idea, which every biology student should know after the first semester - emotions has been evolved for a purpose - they are signals between sub-systems , so, they are here "by-design", and should not be ignored or suppressed. An emotion is a signal that an action is needed. Actions, however, could (and s…

The author's not a professor or marketing. She's a "Psychotherapist, Ayurvedic Health Coach, Writer, CEO-Bettie Page Fitness, Songwriter, Activist, Editor." Still not very hard science though.

Yes, I am wrong here. The professor of marketing has been mentioned in the text as a collaborator in some "study".

Is that "Ayurvedic Health Coach" stuff qualifies as the substitute for majoring from MIT or Yale in Psychology or Biology?

Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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post #13

(In my opinion) Negative emotions are indeed useful. Feeling sad or griping about something is not all that bad as long as it helps you define what it is in your life you don't like. The hard part is forcing yourself, after some time in the dumps, to say "OK, no what am I going to DO about this?"

Yes, this is key.

For some people, it's not really surprising that they're depressed. Low opportunity, low-income, poor surroundings, poor education, stressful paycheck to paycheck existence. Of course they're miserable.

Of course, adversely comparing yourself to peers is also a strategy for misery.

For those of us to be lucky enough to be in reasonable shape, the knack to avoiding self-pity and depression is to accept yourself, and work through or around your own limitations and count your blessings.

"I tell you, we were put here to have fun and fart around, and don't let anyone tell you different." (with apologies to) Kurt Vonnegut.

Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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Inspired by this thread, I looked up Freud's 12 Human Defense Mechanism when negative emotions stew in our mind to look at how I delude myself on daily basis: https://kevinfitzmaurice.com/self-esteem/self-esteem-issues/...

1. Over-compensation/Projection: To overcome my greatest fear that I'm just a programmer making a comfortable living but ultimately making meaningless web apps for BigCo or for startups but afraid of sitting with this feeling for too long; I try to "cultivate" cultural hobbies like playing in a blues band, joined a rec-league, travel, attend book/film clubs to convince myself that I'm different than the other people but find people who are most like me in the book clubs and art galleries openings are just as empty, pretentious and obnoxious. Similarly I project onto others my insecurity, and judge them accordingly to the snobbery by the impact factor (IF) of their "CV" and of their "cultural output".

2. Denial/Ritual for Undoing/Regression: I escape via various social media distractions and comfort food. I go to startup social gatherings, when the caffeine or alcoholic or fun-social distraction buzz kick-in, I convince myself that this is the way things are suppose to go. But the buzz wears off, I realize that my problems are still there and chasing that original high with that good sushi meal, new brew of coffee or dance-party venue feel like eating a diminishing return chocolate cake.

3. Displacement/Identification: I visit a lot of right-wing subreddits like /r/the_donald that rage against the left-wing subreddits to the point that I realize that as much as I hate on the facebook feeds of my enemies on the left, they have also now become my indisposable personal crucible because the outrage inspired has become almost a comforting ally to lean onto to channel my otherwise impotent rage; I visit HN and glow over the triumphs by techies like unveiling of new Tesla model or new VR headsets and startup podcasts and blog posts about the #hustle. I sometimes even Google search pictures of PR pictures of Elon Musk and Elizabeth Holmes (before she became reviled by this forum) while listening to positive YouTube music video's to bask in the positive glow.

4. Acceptance/Humble Identification/Sublimation: I accept that I won't ever be like Elon Musk or Elizabeth Holmes or a mere YC Founder for that matter. I've been trying to find more realistic models to model my behavior like my boss who is very organized, shows up to work on time and is very empathy for people, but someone who is otherwise (gasp) an average person judged by my earlier metric of Personal Impact Factor. I try to find more socially acceptable, stable and support roles like playing Healer heroes in Dota2 or LoL instead of battling it out with my team about who to play to the Carry; my fear of just giving in and becoming just an mediocre everyman like Willie Loman, I just let go and trying to keep score every day cleared up to make room to find simple joys like washing dishes, taking out the trash on time and closing JIRA tickets. Walking by the local hip and edgy co-working space, I cannot help but feel a tinge of poetic sadomasochism that in order to attain peace, I chased the opposite of what I was afraid of becoming only to end up becoming the very thing of this existential guilt by way of being wore down by the daily pressure of unable to run away from this guilt; and realizing that this guilt of unbecoming of the becoming is also the real unbecoming, but the real becoming is also the unbecoming.

Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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I just read "life of a slave" by frederick douglass. It's been helpful to calibrate my emotional responses. I try to treat emotion like sound or light - a signal from the outside world, with appropriate responses. When I get upset at things now, I compare whatever's bothering me to "being a slave, being whipped for teaching fellow slaves how to read the bible" - and i realize how unimportant the thing was. This abili…

As described in the Bible, Jesus went around challenging and insulting the religious leaders of the day. He literally went around the temple with a whip overturning people's stalls because he objected to their presence. He did say to be nice sometimes as well, but that was not really what made people angry.

Re: Negative Emotions Are Key to Well-Being

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I watched a documentary about heroin addiction in a wealthy northeast U.S. town. I recall being struck at how the parents of the addicts presented in the documentary (who were all young) talked about how all of their kids were always so happy as children. Then, when interviewing the addicts, there was a clear recurring theme that they wanted to do drugs because they could not handle the pain of being off drugs. I did…

"Low frustration tolerance" is considered a factor in several mental problems by some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_frustration_tolerance
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