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DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by manux »

luka-birsa wrote: post #8

Anybody else sees a problem with training the AI to move troops around a battlefield, with the purpose to exterminate the opponent?

I do research in "Deep RL" for a living. The same algorithms (and advances related to them) that can be used in such a scenario can be used to create machine learning solutions for social good.

Similarly, algorithms used to detect cancer in medical imaging can be used to do automatic targeting on killer drones. Should we stop doing research altogether?

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by danielpatrick »

treehau5 wrote: post #13
harigov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to happen anyway. I think we are better off doing such things in the open and having some visibility into it rather than be surprised when something happens.

I'm so sick of this argument. How about we have a spine for once and say no?

The problem is we is not everyone... it's only those who agree with you. Everyone else will just keep on pushing ahead, hence the less-bad option of not relegating that advancement to dark corners.

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by webkike »

treehau5 wrote: post #13
harigov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to happen anyway. I think we are better off doing such things in the open and having some visibility into it rather than be surprised when something happens.

I'm so sick of this argument. How about we have a spine for once and say no?

All 7 billion of us? Good luck with that.

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by Nadya »

luka-birsa wrote: post #8

Anybody else sees a problem with training the AI to move troops around a battlefield, with the purpose to exterminate the opponent?

There are better war simulators if that were the purpose. There also wouldn't be a need to publicize it. Finally, big data/A.I is already used by the military. It probably isn't "decision making" levels, but it doesn't need to be. "Decision helping" is a good enough advantage.

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by Mtinie »

treehau5 wrote: post #13
harigov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to happen anyway. I think we are better off doing such things in the open and having some visibility into it rather than be surprised when something happens.

I'm so sick of this argument. How about we have a spine for once and say no?

Ok, for conversation sake we all come together and say, "No, AI cannot be used for offensive or defensive military actions".

How do you propose that ban be enforced?

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by dguaraglia »

treehau5 wrote: post #13
harigov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to happen anyway. I think we are better off doing such things in the open and having some visibility into it rather than be surprised when something happens.

I'm so sick of this argument. How about we have a spine for once and say no?

How is 'saying no' going to stop the military of this or any other country from doing it? How do you measure the disadvantage we'd be at by not allowing our military to do it, but letting other militaries (over which we have no control) do it?

Having a spine has nothing to do with it.

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by formula1 »

treehau5 wrote: post #13
harigov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to happen anyway. I think we are better off doing such things in the open and having some visibility into it rather than be surprised when something happens.

I'm so sick of this argument. How about we have a spine for once and say no?

What are you willing to sacrifice to say no? How about your immediate comfort and free time. Thats the real cost. Its not "when it happens we'll stabd togethor", Its "youtube videos or protecting the world from a potential future threat that everyone will think Im crazy for worrying about"

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by rcthompson »

Savageman wrote: post #17

That's so cool! I wish they could start doing AI for team based competitive games like League of Legends where meta-play and team decision making is important. Is that too complicated to tackle yet?

Are you imagining a single AI playing all 5 heroes on a team, or 5 independent AIs each playing a single hero with limited communication between them, or a single AI controlling a single hero on a team with 4 humans? I would say the first scenario (1 AI controlling entire team) is roughly equivalent to the the RTS case. It's just fewer units with more abilities, and character progression instead of base building. The other two cases are probably a lot more complicated.

Re: DeepMind and Blizzard to release StarCraft II as an AI research environment

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Post by mwambua »

treehau5 wrote: post #13
harigov wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to happen anyway. I think we are better off doing such things in the open and having some visibility into it rather than be surprised when something happens.

I'm so sick of this argument. How about we have a spine for once and say no?

I'd be curious to hear more of your argument. The world is a complex place. How do you protect the one's you love when others exist who wouldn't say no?
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