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Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by bad_user »

Raed667 wrote: post #13
pawadu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO that depends entirely on the model, Lenovo has awesome machines (e.g. older Thinkpad X series) and some really crappy machines (e.g. ideapad). Maybe the only exceptions to that are Razer and Microsoft who don't do low-end crap.

I have had a Lenovo ideapad Z510 for almost 3 years now, it has worked flawlessly on both Windows (8 then 8.1 then 10) and Linux (Ubuntu / Arch). Not all ideapads are as crappy as they're believed to be.

I also have a Thinkpad Edge, the cheap Thinkpad line. The build and the quality feel very cheap, but just as you, I've had it for 3 years, I've abused it as my work laptop for 2 years and had no problems with it.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by Raed667 »

bad_user wrote: post #21
Raed667 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have had a Lenovo ideapad Z510 for almost 3 years now, it has worked flawlessly on both Windows (8 then 8.1 then 10) and Linux (Ubuntu / Arch). Not all ideapads are as crappy as they're believed to be.

I also have a Thinkpad Edge, the cheap Thinkpad line. The build and the quality feel very cheap, but just as you, I've had it for 3 years, I've abused it as my work laptop for 2 years and had no problems with it.

Exactly my thought, the build quality (plastic, stain resistance, etc) and screen resolution are on the cheap side, however if you're like me and you don't care about that sort of things (in favor of something affordable and "just works") I really suggest some ideapads.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by aq3cn »

SamUK96 wrote: post #16
aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

Not sure if this is anecdotal or not, but the Dell business-laptop lines (Lattitude et al) have been having hard-drive corruption problems at the company where I work for ages. As for Razer, I hear their products are excellent (laptop wise). As for their peripherals, please guys, there's Roccat just down the road and it's cheaper and better. With Clevo resellers, you get excellent components for the money, but the ch…

Thanks for the list.

> Don't talk to me about Apple...planned obsolescence, bribing developers.

I also read somewhere in the comment that they blacklist all those news websites which does bad review of their product.

I don't know enough about what is entailed after black listing but I guess they stop giving them news or prereleased products in advance.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by bryanlarsen »

aq3cn wrote: post #19
pawadu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO that depends entirely on the model, Lenovo has awesome machines (e.g. older Thinkpad X series) and some really crappy machines (e.g. ideapad). Maybe the only exceptions to that are Razer and Microsoft who don't do low-end crap.

I know it will entirely depend on models. But still if we stick to their flagship laptop or desktop or server. Which is most reliable company to trust and feel assured of having best value for my money. MS actually did Surface RT once. But I understand it was a test phase.

You don't want flagships either. That puts the premium on features instead of reliability. Sort of like old Cadillacs or Corvettes: lots of fancy features that broke down constantly.

You want the enterprise lines: focus on reliability and backwards compatibility rather than price or whiz-bang features. Just a year or two ago one of the best signs that you were getting one of those would have been the presence of a VGA port.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by anexprogrammer »

aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

Lenovo ideapad (cheap ones, superfish, avoid) and Lenovo Thinkpad (no superfish, mostly good) should be thought separate manufacturers. They're not comparable.

For quality and reliability. This is astonishingly subjective and quite probably wrong :p

1. Thinkpad. Not as good as they were, but appear to be trying to improve again. Usually a fairly safe bet for BSD & Linux drivers. Support (UK) have been excellent.

2. Dell 2. HP (Like with Lenovo separate the cheap consumer crap, and the well made professional ranges)

3. The rest

4. Apple. Well made, hopeless for upgrade, now very overpriced. New keyboard seems to be disliked on reviews so far.

99. Acer - Pet hate brand that always seems to have far more than fair share of issues, and support (UK) terrible.

No experience of clevo or system76. Not sure MS have been around long enough with Surface to judge well yet. Personally I would be wary of Razer, though I've not owned a laptop of theirs, which might be superb. None of their mice and keyboards seem to last 5 minutes. Santa will bring the kids no more Razer Nagas.

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by m_mueller »

aq3cn wrote: post #6

Quality wise who is better and reliable as a Windows or Linux machine manufacturer. Help me create a sequence: 1. Razer 2. Asus 3. Microsoft 4. Dell 5. Lenovo 6. HP 7. Acer 8. Sony (?) 9. Samsung Apple (?) Clevo (?) Toshiba (?) system76 (?) alienware (?)

Anyone of those making touchpads that come close to Apple?

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by pawadu »

aq3cn wrote: post #24
SamUK96 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if this is anecdotal or not, but the Dell business-laptop lines (Lattitude et al) have been having hard-drive corruption problems at the company where I work for ages. As for Razer, I hear their products are excellent (laptop wise). As for their peripherals, please guys, there's Roccat just down the road and it's cheaper and better. With Clevo resellers, you get excellent components for the money, but the ch…

Thanks for the list. > Don't talk to me about Apple...planned obsolescence, bribing developers. I also read somewhere in the comment that they blacklist all those news websites which does bad review of their product. I don't know enough about what is entailed after black listing but I guess they stop giving them news or prereleased products in advance.

You mean this?

http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipul...

Re: Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce

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Post by dingaling »

nihonde wrote: post #2

When are these publications going to figure out that volume shipped vs Apple is a pointless milestone? I'm interested in margins and revenues, but not units shipped.

> I'm interested in margins and revenues, but not units shipped.

In that case Panasonic's Toughbooks would be the clear winner in the general-market space. Their low-end 'business rugged' laptops start at £1800 for an i5 spec... though with a three-year warranty.

Once you move into specialist fields such as mediical and defence there are vendors whose laptops have margins that would make Apple cry, but who 'earn' those through jumping through many many regulatory hoops. Dell played-around in that space in the late 2000s, their mil-cert laptops started around $5000 with standard Latitude innards.

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