Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam • Hacker News Board

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by onli » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 10:44 AM UTC

tmikaeld wrote: post #8

stephanheijl wrote: post #5

I'm loving this, I've been using scaleway as a host for a few months and they've provided great value during that time. As a Dutch national it would be great for my latency to see scaleway add some capacity to Amsterdam. Their low end offering allows me to get up and running quickly with a new machine and experiment, without touching any existing instances or firing up a VM myself. It's a shame transferring machines…

That's another thing i missed, apart from not having ECC RAM.

Why do you think not having ECC Ram is a problem? I'm on scaleway, and I see zero harm coming from that. Different usage?

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by rihegher » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 10:45 AM UTC

milosonator wrote: post #15

Why is Scaleway so cheap compared to for instance: DigitalOcean?

EUR/USD went way down those last years so Europe is becoming a low cost area. As well, I don't know about DigitalOcean but with Online there is some basic services they don't provided. For example it drove me mad that you can't just move a server to an other account or change the account owner with online. I've never been stuck with the dozens of other hosting company I've been working with to move a server.

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by milosonator » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 10:49 AM UTC

edouardb wrote: post #16

milosonator wrote: post #15

Why is Scaleway so cheap compared to for instance: DigitalOcean?

We design and manufacture our own server hardware so we can optimize our cost. We select each component of our servers to get high quality servers at the best price and remove all unneeded components. The result is that you get a server with the best price-performance ratio.

Thanks for the additional insight!

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by milosonator » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 10:51 AM UTC

rihegher wrote: post #22

milosonator wrote: post #15

Why is Scaleway so cheap compared to for instance: DigitalOcean?

EUR/USD went way down those last years so Europe is becoming a low cost area. As well, I don't know about DigitalOcean but with Online there is some basic services they don't provided. For example it drove me mad that you can't just move a server to an other account or change the account owner with online. I've never been stuck with the dozens of other hosting company I've been working with to move a server.

I would imagine that intrinsically the costs of buying/renting an X number of CPU cores and Y gigs of RAM just has a certain cost and therefore the price of VPS's just have to be at a certain minimum level. I guess Scaleway is just closer to that edge, but being about twice as cheap as DO (which is quite big and popular) just makes me question the long-term viability of these prices.

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by matt4077 » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 10:56 AM UTC

edouardb wrote: post #16

milosonator wrote: post #15

Why is Scaleway so cheap compared to for instance: DigitalOcean?

We design and manufacture our own server hardware so we can optimize our cost. We select each component of our servers to get high quality servers at the best price and remove all unneeded components. The result is that you get a server with the best price-performance ratio.

Whereas the competition enjoys paying extra, and carefully tries to find new unneeded components? Yeah, didn't think so...

I guess the truth is a mixture of "larger willingness to cut corners" and "aiming for a lower margin". That's not a bad thing. It's just that in a market as transparent and competitive as this, it's really hard to be better along every single dimension.

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by rihegher » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:01 AM UTC

milosonator wrote: post #24

rihegher wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EUR/USD went way down those last years so Europe is becoming a low cost area. As well, I don't know about DigitalOcean but with Online there is some basic services they don't provided. For example it drove me mad that you can't just move a server to an other account or change the account owner with online. I've never been stuck with the dozens of other hosting company I've been working with to move a server.

I would imagine that intrinsically the costs of buying/renting an X number of CPU cores and Y gigs of RAM just has a certain cost and therefore the price of VPS's just have to be at a certain minimum level. I guess Scaleway is just closer to that edge, but being about twice as cheap as DO (which is quite big and popular) just makes me question the long-term viability of these prices.

"France is a fiscal heaven" dixit Xavier Niel CEO of Online.net because you can employ qualified people that cost twice as less than in the US.

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by sixhobbits » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:26 AM UTC

kyriakos wrote: post #17

How do scaleway cores compare to digital ocean?

Here [0] are some nice comparisons from a year ago. If these are still more or less correct, then I'm happy to be paying the extra few USD/month on Digital Ocean. If they've made performance improvements since then, I would consider switching. Would be nice if someone re-ran these benchmarks.

[0] https://blog.rebased.pl/2015/11/04/scaleway-vs-digitalocean....

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by smnscu » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:41 AM UTC

I've been a Scaleway user for a very long time (I cancelled recently in an effort to cut frivolous personal expenses). Their cheapest offerings are very slow, but they are perfect if you're looking for something extremely cheap, dedicated (with your own IP), and with unlimited traffic (!!!). Also, as people noticed here, their web console is pretty great. They even have preloaded images, I had a personal torrent server up in 2 minutes.

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by chillydawg » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 11:44 AM UTC

onli wrote: post #21

tmikaeld wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's another thing i missed, apart from not having ECC RAM.

Why do you think not having ECC Ram is a problem? I'm on scaleway, and I see zero harm coming from that. Different usage?

Row hammer exploits. Someone else running on that server can read and flip your ram and generally pwn you.

Re: Scaleway Global Expansion Starts in Amsterdam

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Post by IAmTheMarrow » Fri, Oct 28, 2016, 12:01 PM UTC

onli wrote: post #21

tmikaeld wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's another thing i missed, apart from not having ECC RAM.

Why do you think not having ECC Ram is a problem? I'm on scaleway, and I see zero harm coming from that. Different usage?

For personal use perhaps it doesn't.

For professional news having data corruption is not something that you'd like, especially if you handle client data (as in backup) or even more importantly if you handle payments.

Overall for pro use lack of ECC is just a catastrophe waiting to happen.