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Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by tachion »

Etheryte wrote: post #13

> npm's default git branch is no longer `master`. We'll be using `latest` from now on. Is there any reason to do this?

By quick glance at their repository branches, it doesn't seem like they're using any kind of dev/el/op branch what makes me think that their development might have been happening in master branch (mind, this is me guessing without any knowledge about NPM's development process, so I might be totally and utterly wrong) and this could lead to some issues from people, who would expect master to be always-correct-and-working branch with all the newest and possibly breaking changes happening somewhere else.

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by sametmax »

Kiro wrote: post #19
raindev wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to DuckDuckGo to check out what yarn is. The front page makes no mention of JavaScript at all (at least on mobile). Accordingly to DuckDuckGo the whole site mentions "JavaScript" only three times. The same is true about the GitHub readme: no mentions of JavaScript at all. Before praising something, makes sense to tell people what it is. /rant Thanks for the highlight, I use npm solely for global installs, will…

> Before praising something, makes sense to tell people what it is. I don't know where you've been but anyone who is even remotely invested in the npm ecosystem probably knows what Yarn is at this point.

This is irrelevant. You may be just a new comer, or not a professional developer, and still want to use yarn. A clear website seems a basic requirement to me for any project.

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by coldtea »

raindev wrote: post #16
octref wrote: post #5

After using yarn for a week, I can't imagine going back to npm. I use npm 90% for install, and yarn does this so much better. Installs are 3-4 times faster. Output is minimal and readable (compared to npm's wall of text that I never read). Packages are cached so I can work with slow connections in coffee shops. Sorry to be blunt, but I feel none of the release features gonna help my daily usage of npm. How about actu…

I went to DuckDuckGo to check out what yarn is. The front page makes no mention of JavaScript at all (at least on mobile). Accordingly to DuckDuckGo the whole site mentions "JavaScript" only three times. The same is true about the GitHub readme: no mentions of JavaScript at all. Before praising something, makes sense to tell people what it is. /rant Thanks for the highlight, I use npm solely for global installs, will…

>I went to DuckDuckGo to check out what yarn is.

And DuckDuckGo (mentioned twice in the comment) is relevant because?

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by coldtea »

sametmax wrote: post #22
Kiro wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before praising something, makes sense to tell people what it is. I don't know where you've been but anyone who is even remotely invested in the npm ecosystem probably knows what Yarn is at this point.

This is irrelevant. You may be just a new comer, or not a professional developer, and still want to use yarn. A clear website seems a basic requirement to me for any project.

>A clear website seems a basic requirement to me for any project.

Well, you can't always depend on that, and in the end of the day, nothing beats actually researching and asking around.

The GNU tools have some of the worst webpages -- and yet they are some of the most useful, and commonly used, packages.

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by raindev »

coldtea wrote: post #23
raindev wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to DuckDuckGo to check out what yarn is. The front page makes no mention of JavaScript at all (at least on mobile). Accordingly to DuckDuckGo the whole site mentions "JavaScript" only three times. The same is true about the GitHub readme: no mentions of JavaScript at all. Before praising something, makes sense to tell people what it is. /rant Thanks for the highlight, I use npm solely for global installs, will…

> I went to DuckDuckGo to check out what yarn is. And DuckDuckGo (mentioned twice in the comment) is relevant because?

Because DuckDuckGo's index of the yarn's website could be screwed or out of date. Also, because people communicate using language, not axioms.

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by raindev »

Hbthegreat wrote: post #18
raindev wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to DuckDuckGo to check out what yarn is. The front page makes no mention of JavaScript at all (at least on mobile). Accordingly to DuckDuckGo the whole site mentions "JavaScript" only three times. The same is true about the GitHub readme: no mentions of JavaScript at all. Before praising something, makes sense to tell people what it is. /rant Thanks for the highlight, I use npm solely for global installs, will…

Yarn has been the talk of the dev world for the last week man. It had a large upswing on both here and reddit.

Not everyone reads news all the time.

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by vonklaus »

scrollaway wrote: post #6
octref wrote: post #5

After using yarn for a week, I can't imagine going back to npm. I use npm 90% for install, and yarn does this so much better. Installs are 3-4 times faster. Output is minimal and readable (compared to npm's wall of text that I never read). Packages are cached so I can work with slow connections in coffee shops. Sorry to be blunt, but I feel none of the release features gonna help my daily usage of npm. How about actu…

I'm super excited to use yarn but, just a heads up, we hit this pretty severe issue when setting it up for our projects: https://github.com/yarnpkg/yarn/issues/761

It looks like they want to just eat bower. Tbh, if webpack or browserify can eat a tooling & dev stack, and yarn can eat bower and do package management, it would be a nice workflow.

I wouldn't want 1 tool to rule them all, but a single tooling/dev/task kit and a single dependency/pckg manager would be nice.

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by raindev »

coldtea wrote: post #24
sametmax wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is irrelevant. You may be just a new comer, or not a professional developer, and still want to use yarn. A clear website seems a basic requirement to me for any project.

> A clear website seems a basic requirement to me for any project. Well, you can't always depend on that, and in the end of the day, nothing beats actually researching and asking around. The GNU tools have some of the worst webpages -- and yet they are some of the most useful, and commonly used, packages.

Let's take a look at GNU tar [1] and GNU social [2] webpages as examples. The first thing they tell a user is what the project is. I would say, both of them are order of magnitude better than the yarn homepage.

1. https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/ 2. https://gnu.io/social/

Re: NPM v4.0.0

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Post by scriptdevil »

raindev wrote: post #16
octref wrote: post #5

After using yarn for a week, I can't imagine going back to npm. I use npm 90% for install, and yarn does this so much better. Installs are 3-4 times faster. Output is minimal and readable (compared to npm's wall of text that I never read). Packages are cached so I can work with slow connections in coffee shops. Sorry to be blunt, but I feel none of the release features gonna help my daily usage of npm. How about actu…

I went to DuckDuckGo to check out what yarn is. The front page makes no mention of JavaScript at all (at least on mobile). Accordingly to DuckDuckGo the whole site mentions "JavaScript" only three times. The same is true about the GitHub readme: no mentions of JavaScript at all. Before praising something, makes sense to tell people what it is. /rant Thanks for the highlight, I use npm solely for global installs, will…

I used DDG too, Generally, one would search for something like "yarn npm" in which case it is like the second link is the yarn homepage and the first link is a npm vs yarn post. DDG isn't as good as Google in figuring out context because it doesn't assume you are a programmer because it doesn't track or bubble you.
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