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Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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> It is too early to determine who was behind Friday’s attacks, but it is this type of DDoS attack that has election officials concerned. They are worried that an attack could keep citizens from submitting votes.

> Thirty-one states and the District of Columbia allow internet voting for overseas military and civilians. Alaska allows any Alaskan citizens to do so.

I had no idea any states allowed voting online. I wonder if the general population will ever get access to that.

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Trying to fight a war purely with defense is usually a dangerous strategy. The only long-term solution is to find the attackers and take them out.

Let's build a botnet to DDoS the DDoS botnet. /s /kinda

...or simply send a few hackers to Guantanamo!

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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How long could this go on for?

Not fully understanding TCP/IP, but could routers installed at ISPs disallow direct traffic to mid-point infrastructure? I mean.. only allow traffic from/to leaf nodes.

Sure they could, it's called disconnecting your internet connection, unless you are arguing for every ISP to implement some sort of proxy, which itself would be mid-point infrastructure.

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This particular attack will likely eventually be mitigated (hours? days?). But it seems there is nothing preventing similar attacks from starting at any time, and be less possible to prevent each time. Personally, I fear we are closer to global-scale, machine-learning-based attacks that find vulnerabilities, exploit them, and change patterns on the fly. We may not have a stable internet any more. Am I blindly fearmon…

Trying to fight a war purely with defense is usually a dangerous strategy. The only long-term solution is to find the attackers and take them out.

Except other adversarial technology domains like encryption or spamming where defensive technologies are extremely good when used and 'finding the attackers and taking them out' is ridiculously impractical.

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I wonder, how much electricity do these attacks spend on average? Is it significant for economy?

I don't think so. Modern botnets are mostly made of devices that are operating 24/7 already, such as compromised IP cameras, set top boxes, SOHO routers, IoT devices, etc.

The energy spent for TCP/IP stack usage is negligible at best, even when pushing those embedded CPUs to 100%.

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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Schneier wrote about related attacks just over a month ago in a post titled "Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet" ( https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/someone_is_le... )

Hopefully it's not related threats about hacking during the election.

Remember that recently Biden openly threatened cyber attack on Russia if they make any attempt to tamper with the election. Which is completely unprecedented, as is the notion that DOD is openly saying Russia was behind DNC and other attacks.

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That's irony, right? I can't even tell anymore.

No, not irony. Our infrastructure is under attack. Why not fight back?

Based on what international laws? The source is likely in a country that doesn't play nice with our law enforcement and extradition requests. So what are you advocating?

Re: Internet Attack Spreads, Disrupting Major Websites

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post #23

I wonder, how much electricity do these attacks spend on average? Is it significant for economy?

I don't think so. Modern botnets are mostly made of devices that are operating 24/7 already, such as compromised IP cameras, set top boxes, SOHO routers, IoT devices, etc. The energy spent for TCP/IP stack usage is negligible at best, even when pushing those embedded CPUs to 100%.

> The energy spent for TCP/IP stack usage is negligible at best.

Not true, especially en masse. Even less true for wirelessly connected devices.

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