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Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#21

This could lead somewhere, but I think he's shooting himself in the foot by dissing vi and emacs. That's like telling a developer his girlfriend is ugly and then trying to sell him something.

I'm tempted to say you have the wrong idea about developers' relations to their editors, but then, you probably have the wrong idea about girlfriends. I mean, you are objectifying girlfriends. Anyway cli programs could just as well run in the browser, etc.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#22
I think the crux of the matter is that the general population don't really need much computation. They just care about meaningful data, especially their own data.

As a programmer and a technophile, computing is the first tool I use for anything. New pin? Just `tr -cd '[:digit:]' I personally value the ability to freely compute. That's why I love my CLI and my text editor.

You can't easily compute on the web because the web was designed for documents (data), not computation. Maybe that's the real problem here.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#23
post #10

Not sure if this is satire? Am I understanding correctly that he's advocating moving everything to 'web applications' because somehow it'll be more 'free'?

Yeah I'm not he ever said why adopting web technologies would be better, except by saying that using cli tools is fetishism. (But web technologies aren't I guess?)

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#24

This article seems terrible and confused and thinks it makes a point about terms by clearly not understanding the point of any of them. I'm pretty sure the author has never read a word Richard Stallman wrote.

I posted the article for a good debate, which I seem to succeed. Though I'm not the author and we don't share positions, I've never read an article by RMS either, only about him, and attended a lecture by him. So please, recommend a good article by Richard, which relates to this article!

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#25
The author has a decent opening point about how we Free Software Enthusiasts need to be aware of the world in which regular people are computing, otherwise we'll never be able to reach them.

If my understanding of history is correct, the GNU utilities were better than the proprietary UNIX ones: they had sensible defaults, or better features, or DWIMmmy behaviour (`find` instead of `find .`, anyone?). GNU basically pulled an embrace, extend, extinguish on proprietary UNIX tools.

If Free Software "fights for the users", then it needs to go to where the users are, and that's the web. It needs to be better in a tangible way, and show how the freedoms it provides can help the users. Avoiding DRM and other user-hostile behaviour is a start, but beyond that I don't know what it should look like with today's web stacks, but I do believe that's the sort of thing we have to deliver.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#26
post #6

What he's trying to say is: Look at all the people who are almost exclusively on the web? All the people who will grow up going to the web first. A web built by those who like free software. They will want web solutions, but they won't become free software contributors if they don't have the chance. If we don't build the projects/solutions. So he's asking you to experience how they view the web so you can develop the…

If they don't care about who controls their data then getting them to care about who controls their software is a lost cause.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#28
As opposed to any aspect of web development, UNIX has the nice feature of being somewhat well-designed. If we're going to try to make a universal content platform, we should at least wait until someone does a good job of it. Javascript and HTML are really poor choices for the majority of tasks.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

#29

There is a paradox about free software users: Free software users are often talented at making privacy-limiting closed source /(web)?/ applications, thus limiting the freedom of the other users. Example: Zuckerberg & facebook. This makes me wonder: How to lead a successful programming career without limiting other users' freedom?

> This makes me wonder: How to lead a successful programming career without limiting other users' freedom?

Work for a free software company. SUSE and RedHat are the classic examples, though many others exist. [ Full Disclosure: I work as a free software developer at SUSE.]

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