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Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

*Alleged serial sexual assaulter

*"Alleged" serial sexual assaulter who has bragged on tape about his pattern of engaging in sexual assault. Let's not leave that out. What he is being accused of is no more or less than what he has actually bragged about doing. Bragged about on videotape.

What I hear strikes me as par for the course in the high life of an era that is now bygone. Honestly, what do you think went on there?

I wonder what kind of saint would be able to resist the trappings of wealth and fame in the 80-90s. Judging from the condemnations all around, we're surrounded by such saints.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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What is it with you US-people and 2 candidates?!?!

I mean this is ridiculous.

He's all like "oh don't hate on Thiel just because he supports Trump. Half of the US does it so it's a valid opinion"

Why not support other republicans who aren't chauvinists?

They talk like "Oh we just have Trump and Hilary and Hilary is corrupt, so what should we do? Vote Trump of cause!"

I mean if you're a chauvinist and like what Trumps says, just vote for him, it's your right to do so. But talking about diversity and then supporting people against it is bullshit.

"Hey yes, you can work at FB, we think you got mad skills, but we will invest the money you make in people who make your life worse!"

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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Is there a link to this? That photo doesn't appear to match Zuck's profile.

That post is "Facebook only." Note the "f" in privacy.

Does such a setting actually exist? I cannot find any information about that. There hasn't been any other source for this post either.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That post is "Facebook only." Note the "f" in privacy.

Does such a setting actually exist? I cannot find any information about that. There hasn't been any other source for this post either.

One would assume that would be for facebook employees only.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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Quick summary: (1) Dodges the main issue of Trump's being not just a controversial candidate, but as we now know, an apparently unapologetic, serial sexual assaulter; along with (2) Thiel's blatant indifference to this fact; (3) to which Mark says, basically "Whatever about this sexual assault stuff -- of course FB can't afford to alienate any significant sized constituency, such as the pro-Trump electorate".

*Alleged serial sexual assaulter

"Apparent" is an appropriate enough qualifier -- given the video evidence we have so far.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not a court of law. By the time there's 9+ accusers, many of whom shared their stories contemporarily (viz people writer who told 6 people), you're verging on Crosby territory to deny what plainly happened.

I hope someone in your family is convicted in the court of public opinion, maybe your son or father.

That's what elections are, actually -- "courts of public opinion".

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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post #23

What is it with you US-people and 2 candidates?!?! I mean this is ridiculous. He's all like "oh don't hate on Thiel just because he supports Trump. Half of the US does it so it's a valid opinion" Why not support other republicans who aren't chauvinists? They talk like "Oh we just have Trump and Hilary and Hilary is corrupt, so what should we do? Vote Trump of cause!" I mean if you're a chauvinist and like what Trumps…

> What is it with you US-people and 2 candidates?!?!

It's the natural consequence of a plurality voting system.

Conservatives remember H. Ross Perot spoiling the election for George H.W. Bush, and throwing the election to Bill Clinton. Progressives remember Ralph Nader making the contest between Al Gore and George W. Bush close enough that G.W. was given the election by a Supreme Court stocked with his dad's buddies.

Voting for third parties is a terrible political strategy in the United States. The spoiler effect is real. I'd go so far as to say that our plurality system all but guarantees bad candidates--it's not the fittest that survive the primary election process, it's the most memorable, the one who we feel will best appeal to our neighbors.

Going further, I'd suggest that having a strong majority political belief is a major liability in U.S. elections.

When Bill Clinton was elected, the nation was largely happy with the center-right GOP of the time. As a result, the further right bloc had the confidence and diversity of small differences of opinion to split and lose the whole thing. (Never minding the fact that Bill Clinton was far to the right of traditional Democrats).

The same was true with Nader and Gore in 2000. Bill Clinton's policies had been so popular that people largely wanted another Clinton, but perhaps a little more progressive. Disagreement ensued as to how much more progressive, and thus we had Nader and Gore losing to the much more hawkish right-wing George W. Bush.

So, in the U.S., you're best off being part of a popular political leaning, but pray your political leanings don't grow so popular as to result in a split.

My personal feeling is that this country desperately needs to move past plurality voting. The easiest path to this is for states to apportion their electors based on ranked choice voting. It doesn't solve all our problems, but it does remove the spoiler effect. With luck, that would allow us to have less shrill, more substantive candidates--even if the major parties continue to dominate.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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post #23

What is it with you US-people and 2 candidates?!?! I mean this is ridiculous. He's all like "oh don't hate on Thiel just because he supports Trump. Half of the US does it so it's a valid opinion" Why not support other republicans who aren't chauvinists? They talk like "Oh we just have Trump and Hilary and Hilary is corrupt, so what should we do? Vote Trump of cause!" I mean if you're a chauvinist and like what Trumps…

I think the intent is to say that Facebook should not choose its board members by political affilications. For example, FB should not cut ties Thiel because he supports Trump, also should not fire others if they support Clinton / conservation / second amendment / whatever else unrelated to the work they do for the company. This seems perfectly reasonable for me.

Re: Mark Zuckerburg comments on Peter Thiel controversy regarding Trump donation

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When people say "half the country supports X candidate" I like to point out polls only count registered voters who are likely to vote, which is closer to half the eligible voting population (which of course doesn't include any of the non-adults).

It's more like each candidate has support from less than a quarter of the population and most people don't support either.

Somehow I find that reassuring.

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