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Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by aub3bhat »

I agree its very gracious of Lessig and completely agree that individuals deserve privacy. But lets be honest, even in this case the forgiveness originates in fact that all individuals involved are on the same side in this election. Further the justification about her being engaged with public / public-sector is hollow. Had it been Karl Rove saying the same thing, would the anger be justified?

If we are at all going to judge people by the private communication then lets at least be consistent.

E.g. Here is the the women who had a left-wing blogger fired:

"Progressive blogger fired for calling Hillary Clinton ally a 'scumbag'"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/matt-bruenig-neera-tan...

Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by IIAOPSW »

byuu wrote: post #20
cjdkcnsnd wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please just stop. Have we really become so blindly partisan as a nation that we complain about uneven distribution of evidence of corruption rather than the corruption itself? Ponder that for a moment, please.

While I am certain there are some troubling revelations in there, I fail to see how Neera Tanden shit-talking about Lawrence Lessig is in any way relevant to the public interest. It's simply an unethical violation of privacy. Had he filtered it to just the important stuff and released it right away, journalists and the public could be having real conversations about said material right now instead. Of course, being f…

I'll go ahead and defend wikileaks on this count (despite my statements about Julian in the parent comment).

The entire point of wikileaks is that they publish information as is under the belief that the public is smart enough to reach their own conclusions without editorializing. This means publishing everything they got with its full mundane nature on display (if for no other reason than as proof that they are not hiding things).

The policy of wikileaks is that they will black out only information which could put people's lives at risk. Merely being embarrassing is not sufficient criteria to get blacked out. Agree or disagree with their philosophy, at least they have been consistent about it. Releasing the Tanden-Lessig e-mail is totally in line with what I'd expect from them.

Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by slantedview »

aub3bhat wrote: post #21

I agree its very gracious of Lessig and completely agree that individuals deserve privacy. But lets be honest, even in this case the forgiveness originates in fact that all individuals involved are on the same side in this election. Further the justification about her being engaged with public / public-sector is hollow. Had it been Karl Rove saying the same thing, would the anger be justified? If we are at all going…

I would not say that Lessig is on the same side as these folks. Tanden is a party loyalist, which basically means, policy opinions aside, she supports taking any and all money from anyone in order to score party victories. Lessig wants to break the system of money in politics. Therefore their vision of America is fundamentally opposed.

Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by tanderson92 »

slantedview wrote: post #23

Who would expect such a classy response to a threat of violence against a "smug" and "pompous" professor. Or maybe Tanden is wrong and it is actually she who needs an adjusting.

Tanden may have used her high position to get a left-wing labor blogger fired for calling her "scumbag neera" over her alleged role in 'reforming' welfare in the '90s, ultimately harming those in extreme poverty.

Edit: the blogger was also an expectant father.

This only substantiates that theory.

Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by harry8 »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #2

I used to respect what Assanage is doing. But recently its clear his actions aren't some noble crusade to speak truth to power and promote freedom of speech and otherwise promote civil liberties. If that were the point then he would leak whatever he has whenever he gets it instead of trying to time it to affect the election. If he really believed in the causes he claims to believe in then he wouldn't be trying to get…

"trying to get Donald-lets-silence-my-critics-Trump into office" is a massive assumption and one without much evidence. But yeah anything embarrassing to one's own team tends to get that kind of response.

Why wouldn't you suppress evidence of corruption in the next US president, one who evidently hates him. "Why can't we just drone him? hahaha" Or whatever that quote is. He should subvert is principles to support her? Really?

Trump is likely (imho) more dangerous than Hilary, that doesn't make Hilary good. Exposing her corruption is a good thing. Making her sweat as much as possible about her corruption is a good thing, as it is for any corrupt and powerful person.

And yeah, "publish whatever he gets whenever he gets leaked it immediately" Without vetting it to see if it will get anyone killed. Interesting idea and one that Assange, while having rejected it, may well be more sympathetic to than I am. You're something of a radical there.

He gets the leaks and he publishes. Nobody seems to have faulted him on doing that which is exactly what he says he does and always has. His opinions about other stuff don't really affect what he does, which is publish. But I do have sympathy especially for him hating Hilary - if indeed he does. I can imagine not caring for someone who (were they joking?) wants to kill me. I wonder if your support of Trump's opposition would make that different for you in his shoes? Maybe it would.

Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by [deleted] »

harry8 wrote: post #26
IIAOPSW wrote: post #2

I used to respect what Assanage is doing. But recently its clear his actions aren't some noble crusade to speak truth to power and promote freedom of speech and otherwise promote civil liberties. If that were the point then he would leak whatever he has whenever he gets it instead of trying to time it to affect the election. If he really believed in the causes he claims to believe in then he wouldn't be trying to get…

"trying to get Donald-lets-silence-my-critics-Trump into office" is a massive assumption and one without much evidence. But yeah anything embarrassing to one's own team tends to get that kind of response. Why wouldn't you suppress evidence of corruption in the next US president, one who evidently hates him. "Why can't we just drone him? hahaha" Or whatever that quote is. He should subvert is principles to support her…

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Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by teraflop »

slantedview wrote: post #23

Who would expect such a classy response to a threat of violence against a "smug" and "pompous" professor. Or maybe Tanden is wrong and it is actually she who needs an adjusting.

I agree that the email is mean-spirited and unpleasant, but "I'd like to kick the shit out of him on twitter" is clearly not an actual threat of violence.

Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by ubernostrum »

cjdkcnsnd wrote: post #7
IIAOPSW wrote: post #2

I used to respect what Assanage is doing. But recently its clear his actions aren't some noble crusade to speak truth to power and promote freedom of speech and otherwise promote civil liberties. If that were the point then he would leak whatever he has whenever he gets it instead of trying to time it to affect the election. If he really believed in the causes he claims to believe in then he wouldn't be trying to get…

Please just stop. Have we really become so blindly partisan as a nation that we complain about uneven distribution of evidence of corruption rather than the corruption itself? Ponder that for a moment, please.

Awfully weird how many green usernames keep showing up in these threads to make this kind of point.

Did Palmer Luckey go on another spending spree?

Re: On the wikileak-ed emails from Tanden on Lessig

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Post by slantedview »

While Lessig is gracious here, I don't have to be.

Tanden and Podesta are representative of what will become the Clinton white house. This sort of rhetoric indicates where they, and Clinton, stand on a variety of interconnected issues, from money in politics to lobbying and outright corruption.

Lessig has done more than almost anyone to champion the idea of separating money from politics. To many, he is a hero. To Tanden and Podesta, two of the current (and future) policy leaders of the Clinton administration, he is a smug professor who needs to have the shit kicked out of him. This should tell you all you need to know about the outlook and direction of a future Clinton administration.

Never in American history has money had such a stranglehold on our elected officials. The winners in this system, such as Hillary Clinton, are perfectly happy with the status quo. People like Lessig want to blow it up. Take note.

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