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Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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Leonard Cohen is absolutely one of the best (Canadian!) artists of the last century. Seriously; if you have the time, do what you can to discover his music. Songs of Leonard Cohen, Various Positions, and of course I'm Your Man are all must listen albums.

Those looking to try Cohen for the first time (or wanting to rediscover him) should listen to Live in London (2009), which IMHO is one of the best live albums ever. Great songs and some witty banter in between.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2p8je2

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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How did The New Yorker get such a well timed profile? Did they know in advance that he would win the Nobel Prize?

News papers pre-emptively write obituaries for famous older people, so they have a bunch of stuff already researched and written for Cohen.

I work for a media company and one day a senior subeditor for one of Australia's preeminent newspapers called to complain that one of his writers had been locked out of Active Directory. When I found out the writer was a permanent staff member who did the obits, I removed the end date from the account and advised the sub that unlike the subjects he wrote about, the obit-writer's account would never expire.

I was gratified that I got a guffaw, and we ended the phone call.

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha... Valid point. I'd have to explore the intricacies of Canadian songwriting before I could confidently make the assertion, but my feeling is that Cohen's songwriting falls in line with the American tradition.

(Biased Canadian) I'd say Cohen is entirely Canadian. He has this very self-deprecating humor that you don't really get from Americans.

I'll concede that Cohen is a Canadian songwriter. It's interesting to me, though, that he launched his music career in New York.

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha... Valid point. I'd have to explore the intricacies of Canadian songwriting before I could confidently make the assertion, but my feeling is that Cohen's songwriting falls in line with the American tradition.

(Biased Canadian) I'd say Cohen is entirely Canadian. He has this very self-deprecating humor that you don't really get from Americans.

I'm struggling with the use of the word American here, both you and the parent posters. In my opinion all Canadians are just as much Americans as anyone from the USA.

Not sure what else you can call someone from USA, so I guess it makes a bit of sense.

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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How did The New Yorker get such a well timed profile? Did they know in advance that he would win the Nobel Prize?

Since Cohen started off a poet and he is generally cited as one of the singer-songwriters whose songs are most like poetry.

So maybe he's next.

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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First off, I've always been a huge fan of Cohen.

But the opening paragraph made me bristle slightly: "He got by on a three-thousand-dollar grant from the Canada Council for the Arts. This was 1960..."

I'm assuming that's Canadian dollars. So he was living abroad doing what he loved, and presumably not breaking much of a sweat.

No less than ten years later, in the same country, my parents were struggling to bring up two children on my father's wage which was half that amount - and for a 40-hour week of very dangerous, manual work.

Now obviously people aspire to successful, creative careers, and most people don't begrudge them that, especially if they bring a great deal of joy to others. But I notice there is a phenomenon quite common in journalism, esp. regarding artistic figures, a great many of whom were actually born into relatively privileged circumstances, and a number of whom, especially during the sixties, wanted to display their bohemian credentials by living in somewhat spartan conditions. Strangely, however, they can always afford an air fare (decades before budgets airlines), and often inherit a house here or there, and always able to afford recreational drugs.

The image of the impoverished poet has long had journalistic appeal, but it is often a lie. They were actually in a very privileged position compared to 99% of people.

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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post #26

First off, I've always been a huge fan of Cohen. But the opening paragraph made me bristle slightly: "He got by on a three-thousand-dollar grant from the Canada Council for the Arts. This was 1960..." I'm assuming that's Canadian dollars. So he was living abroad doing what he loved, and presumably not breaking much of a sweat. No less than ten years later, in the same country, my parents were struggling to bring up t…

I don't see the need to bristle when the rest of that paragraph dispells any notion of an "impoverished poet": "Cohen, whose family was both prominent and cultivated, had an ironical view of himself. He was a bohemian with a cushion whose first purchases in London were an Olivetti typewriter and a blue raincoat at Burberry."

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Biased Canadian) I'd say Cohen is entirely Canadian. He has this very self-deprecating humor that you don't really get from Americans.

I'll concede that Cohen is a Canadian songwriter. It's interesting to me, though, that he launched his music career in New York.

That's where all the good record labels and record producers were. All good Canadian musicians/actors/directors go to the US. They largely leave Canada behind without much mention of Canada during their careers besides Drake and to a lesser extent Neil Young being the exception.

Leonard's first album had amazing production by american producer John Simon (who also worked with The Band, Simon & Garfunkel, Janis Joplin), probably the best in Cohen's entire career, so he chose well deciding to work out of Columbia's studio in NYC...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_of_Leonard_Cohen

Re: Leonard Cohen Makes It Darker

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post #26

First off, I've always been a huge fan of Cohen. But the opening paragraph made me bristle slightly: "He got by on a three-thousand-dollar grant from the Canada Council for the Arts. This was 1960..." I'm assuming that's Canadian dollars. So he was living abroad doing what he loved, and presumably not breaking much of a sweat. No less than ten years later, in the same country, my parents were struggling to bring up t…

I don't see the need to bristle when the rest of that paragraph dispells any notion of an "impoverished poet": "Cohen, whose family was both prominent and cultivated, had an ironical view of himself. He was a bohemian with a cushion whose first purchases in London were an Olivetti typewriter and a blue raincoat at Burberry."

That is a fair point, well made. I guess the bristling got the better of me.

And in those days, Burberry was actually an upper-class brand without the downmarket associations it has these days.

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