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Russian ship loitering near undersea cables
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Re: Russian ship loitering near undersea cables
#22Russia is doing a lot of fearmongering in the run-up to the US elections. I stumbled across some agitprop on Twitter yesterday, where I read that Russia was recalling all students who were studying abroad. Out of curiosity (to say the least) I tracked down the source article, which was a) not available in English, and b) just Russians criticizing privileged Russians who sent their kids abroad to study. Looking around…
given this is "Russia sub ship loitering near Syrian undersea cables."
its probably fud aimed at the strong russian syrian government relationship.
Re: Russian ship loitering near undersea cables
#23Well, how accurate are those cable lines?
There are very accurate maps available publicly. When a ship lays anchor it's not just the end but can end up being a mile of chain as the real holding force(with the ship bouncing around). Fishermen are able to damage cables as well
If you could source that very accurate map that's available publicly I'd be very appreciative; I can only find the paper version for sale and don't want to pay $100 for something that will only arrive in a few weeks. The lines on the images that are being circulated are not accurate in the least, they are very rough estimates.
Re: Russian ship loitering near undersea cables
#24Looks like the site is down. Mirror: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Iq7DDCu...
Link from site to marinetraffic site showing the ship and location:
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:121...
Re: Russian ship loitering near undersea cables
#25There is no evidence that the Russians are "tapping" or "sabotaging" undersea cables; the Americans and Israelis would also tap those cables, and I think it's far more likely the Russians are doing counter-espionage of taps on Turkish, Syrian and Lebanese cables, to win favour with their governments.
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#27There is no evidence that the Russians are "tapping" or "sabotaging" undersea cables; the Americans and Israelis would also tap those cables, and I think it's far more likely the Russians are doing counter-espionage of taps on Turkish, Syrian and Lebanese cables, to win favour with their governments.
Here are all the coordinates of where they've been since October 7th, so if you have access to more precise data about where those cables go, you can plot the coordinates with your own GIS software.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WFIX0PAK1SJq35usKwR4znbeS8...
Re: Russian ship loitering near undersea cables
#28There is no evidence that the Russians are "tapping" or "sabotaging" undersea cables; the Americans and Israelis would also tap those cables, and I think it's far more likely the Russians are doing counter-espionage of taps on Turkish, Syrian and Lebanese cables, to win favour with their governments.
You provide no evidence why one scenario is far more likely than the other. There are much more direct ways that Russia is winning favour with those governments such as fighting Syria's wars for them or signing a gas pipeline deal with Turkey.
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#29Ships do not "loiter" in international waters. "Loiter" implies the loiterer is violating some rights the accuser imagines himself to have. Russia may be simply legally installing its surveillance equipment on cables it found in international waters. There's no 'loitering' involved here.
I invite you to study the speeches of Anson Chan, less you believe that this irritating political weasel-wording we are so used to currently is universal.
Re: Russian ship loitering near undersea cables
#30There is no evidence that the Russians are "tapping" or "sabotaging" undersea cables; the Americans and Israelis would also tap those cables, and I think it's far more likely the Russians are doing counter-espionage of taps on Turkish, Syrian and Lebanese cables, to win favour with their governments.
You provide no evidence why one scenario is far more likely than the other. There are much more direct ways that Russia is winning favour with those governments such as fighting Syria's wars for them or signing a gas pipeline deal with Turkey.
If Russia was tapping Syrian cables... they'd do so on shore. They don't need to do it at the bottom of the ocean; it's the same way the United States taps cables in many allied countries.
It is rumoured that Russian SIGINT tipped off the Erdogan government of the coup, not American SIGINT, which would suggest that Americans were complicit with the coup. To win further favour with the Erdogan government Russia would love to pants the United States by showing they are tapping their "ally's" telecom infrastructure. You may remember the NSA also tapped Angela Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany, an ally. You may also remember the NSA tapped all Greek telecom as well; also an Ally. Do you think the United States isn't tapping the Turkish telecom lines?
The Israelis clearly have the Lebanese telecom system tapped in about a hundred different ways, from buried taps on shore to underwater taps at sea. Do you doubt that too? Wouldn't it be in Russia and Syria's best interest to help Hezbollah?