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Re: Deep-Fried Data

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post #17

Have to admit that I didn't expect to see that quirk of LiveJournal culture mentioned in an article on the HN front page, let alone in a speech to the Library of Congress. It just sort of faded away without really influencing the current generation of social networks. Also, it's funny how the net changes, how unthinkable it is to have a social network that doesn't slice up people's data and use it to advertise to the…

I'm the guy who gave this talk. To add to the funny, LiveJournal hired me to rewrite their ad engine in 2007. I did a horrible job at it, but turned my ineptitude into a principled and lucrative ideological stance that I have milked ever since.

Don't be afraid to pivot.

Re: Deep-Fried Data

#22
post #2

"...Dim witted grad student that you can't really trust..." Reminds me of the phrase "graduate student descent" for training neural networks... I've been noticing more casual dismissiveness towards grad students lately. They are certainly often treated as the grunt laborers of academia, in areas where career prospects are downright stupid. I generally feel it would be more productive to at least pretend that they're…

Yeah, I also thought this metaphor seemed weird. "Now you need some adult supervision in the room", but grad students are, in fact, adults. And not particularly dim-witted, as a rule.

Re: Deep-Fried Data

#23
post #17

Have to admit that I didn't expect to see that quirk of LiveJournal culture mentioned in an article on the HN front page, let alone in a speech to the Library of Congress. It just sort of faded away without really influencing the current generation of social networks. Also, it's funny how the net changes, how unthinkable it is to have a social network that doesn't slice up people's data and use it to advertise to the…

I'm the guy who gave this talk. To add to the funny, LiveJournal hired me to rewrite their ad engine in 2007. I did a horrible job at it, but turned my ineptitude into a principled and lucrative ideological stance that I have milked ever since. Don't be afraid to pivot.

Was this recorded? Link?

Re: Deep-Fried Data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the guy who gave this talk. To add to the funny, LiveJournal hired me to rewrite their ad engine in 2007. I did a horrible job at it, but turned my ineptitude into a principled and lucrative ideological stance that I have milked ever since. Don't be afraid to pivot.

Was this recorded? Link?

There's a YouTube link at the top of the page. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gcu2GQf7PI&feature=youtu.be...

Re: Deep-Fried Data

#25
>the Internet is a shopping mall. There are two big anchor stores, Facebook and Google, at either end. There’s an Apple store in the middle, along with a Sharper Image where they are trying to sell us the Internet of Things. A couple of punk kids hang out in the food court, but they don't really make trouble. This mall is well-policed and has security cameras everywhere. And you guys are the bookmobile in the parking lot, put there to try to make it classy.

It's already been mentioned, but this guy needs to get out a bit more.

The internet is a city. There's the specialist shops (HN), the bustling malls (Reddit, YT), the shady back alleys (4chan, 8chan etc.), the historical districts (Usenet, Archive.org), the cafes (IRC, ICQ, Slack, etc.). To their credit, the author is more knowledgeable than most, however.

I see so many dismiss the internet as just Facebook, or YouTube, discuss trolling as if it's a single phenomenon, and it's a recent thing, associated with Social Media. So many think that there's an internet culture: there isn't: there's a set of almost infinite numbers of overlapping, interlinked cultures. I can even map out the origins and historical influences of a few. There are even a few who think that social media sites are good forums of discussion. The poor sods: the Usenet was a better discussion forum than Facebook ever was, and the Usenet's not that great.

If you really want to see what the internet is like (that isn't advice for the author: I'm pretty sure the mall analogy doesn't encompass his internet experience, and is merely an analogue I find odd), explore. See it all, in all of its weird, wacky, zany, jokey, serious, offensive, manic, smart, stupid, brilliant, insane glory. I promise you, you won't be dissapointed.

People ask me why I'm not on social media. It's because social media is boring. Unlike Reddit, 4chan, and the rest, not much interesting happens. Unlike HN, I'm not likely to be intellectually stimulated, or learn something new. Unlike static sites, I don't get to see that kind of wild creativeness that personal webspace tends to invite in hackers, nerds, and others who know what makes the web tick. I don't want to see what you ate, I don't want to see your cat, I don't want to hear banal details about your everyday life. I want to hear something intersting, new, and original. I want to hear the next Ze Frank, or Tom Ridgewell, or Simon Travaglia, or Steve Yegge, or RMS, or PG, or Ryan Dahl, and you can bet I won't on a site with a signal:noise ratio that high.

People also ask why I'm fascinated with the internet. My response is, why wouldn't I be? It's a catalogue of decades of human creativity and interaction. It's open mike night at the largest club in the world, which is also a discussion forum, and a shady back alley, and a convention. It is - to borrow and butcher Sir Terry's words - like being blindfolded and drunk at several different parties at once.

But, in what it rapidly becoming the sign-off on my incoherent, long-winded ramblings that are really only tangentially connected to the topic at hand, maybe I'm just totally mad.

EDIT: tried to clarify that I wasn't trying to insult the author. Not my intent, but it seemed to come off that way. It still does, but less so, and I prefer not to edit my old content too much. Also, I just checked out pinboard. Pinboard is amazing, and I am impressed.

Basically, don't take this as anything more than a tangential, incoherent ramble started by an analogy the author used which I found unrepresentative. Because that's what it is.

Re: Deep-Fried Data

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"And this time it's not the government, but the commercial Internet that has worked so hard to dismantle privacy."

So true.

Re: Deep-Fried Data

#27
post #3

"The names keep changing—it used to be unsupervised learning, now it’s called big data or deep learning or AI" Um, I'm sorry, but unsupervised learning and deep learning are not the same.

Yeah, but garbage in is still garbage out.

Which is the point he was trying to make.

Re: Deep-Fried Data

#28
post #17

Have to admit that I didn't expect to see that quirk of LiveJournal culture mentioned in an article on the HN front page, let alone in a speech to the Library of Congress. It just sort of faded away without really influencing the current generation of social networks. Also, it's funny how the net changes, how unthinkable it is to have a social network that doesn't slice up people's data and use it to advertise to the…

I'm the guy who gave this talk. To add to the funny, LiveJournal hired me to rewrite their ad engine in 2007. I did a horrible job at it, but turned my ineptitude into a principled and lucrative ideological stance that I have milked ever since. Don't be afraid to pivot.

I enjoyed reading it a lot, thank you. I think about these issues a lot and you gave me new things to think about / crystallized some nice perspectives.

Re: Deep-Fried Data

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unsupervised refers to whether or not the dataset is being trained against anything. Think about the difference between: How many people will view this webpage? Divide these pages into 20 clusters? The first is supervised. The second isn't. Deep learning refers to a particular type of a particular learning technique: Specifically a neural network that has many hidden (intermediate) layers. Deep learning can be used f…

I agree with your sentiment, it feels out of place because deep learning, AI and big data are buzzwords, but unsupervised learning is a rather technical term in machine learning referring to a very specific class of problems.

Specific only in that the categories aren't supervised.

Furthermore, suppose you have labels for some but not all points on your data (i.e. your model is designed to be robust in the face of things it hasn't been trained for). There are a nontrivial number of people who work on either side of the "semi-supervised" divide, e.g. clustering with examplars or pulling out the generative model for a discriminative task. Personally I like these better, as they're more akin to what people seem to actually do (encounter new things and try to make sense of them).

Anyways. If you look at the delta in performance between "old" techniques like random forests or gradient boosting vs. deep convolutional networks, it tends to be quite small until your datasets grow to very large sizes. For things like images that's not much of a problem. For things like rare diseases it's a huge problem.

Re: Deep-Fried Data

#30

>the Internet is a shopping mall. There are two big anchor stores, Facebook and Google, at either end. There’s an Apple store in the middle, along with a Sharper Image where they are trying to sell us the Internet of Things. A couple of punk kids hang out in the food court, but they don't really make trouble. This mall is well-policed and has security cameras everywhere. And you guys are the bookmobile in the parking…

"Needs to out a bit more" given the context is hilarious. I bet a cool $20 he is more widely traveled than you - both physically and digitally.
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