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Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by mianos »

Sanddancer wrote: post #16
kogepathic wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It will be interesting to see if it can recover. Ardiunos were fantastic in their time, but the industry has moved on. Why work on an 8-bit MCU where you [mostly] have to bit bang IO when you can buy something like an STM32 which has hardware acceleration (DMA) for IO, and on higher models even adds things like an RTC? Arduino has a great community, but there are far better choices available now, which are even Ard…

A lot of more recent Arduinos use more sophisticated cores than the AVR. There are several models that use ARM cores, there are a few that use x86 variants, etc. One of the advantages I can see with the Arduino infrastructure is that the libraries are fairly reasonably cross-platform, so you can use them on multiple projects which use different micros without having to rewrite a bunch of code.

On the other hand, the genuine arduinos with morr modern cores seem to be very expensive. The arduino used to be fantastic a number of years ago but they move a long way down the value chain in recent years. I have boxes of all the original ones but have not used them in years.

Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by droopybuns »

Negative1 wrote: post #13
Animats wrote: post #5

So this means the two feuding Auduino sides have made up, or merged?

It's a 30 second read; you should just click on the link. If you really are that lazy; arduino.cc and arduino.org settled their dispute and have setup a holding company to organize device sales using he Arduino brand. In a addition, a not-for-profit company is being setup to run the educational part of the organization. I'm assuming this fixes all the B.S. that was the "Genuino" fiasco. Good riddance but the brand ha…

I am baffled by the suggestion that a Raspberry Pi could ever be considered a competitor to an Arduino. It's akin to saying a Doctor could equally use a scalpel or a kitchen knife for surgery. It is possible, but there are different knives for different jobs for good reasons.

Collecting sensor data? Arduino is a lot leaner and to the point. Performing computations on sensor data? Might be better to use a Pi.

Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by ingenieros »

aceperry wrote: post #2

This is huge news. Glad to see a sleazy offshoot reconciling with the open source community. They originally hijacked the name and tried to strong arm a lot of businesses, which seemed to hurt the arduino community. Even though it was the biggest and most influential hobbyist electronics environment, there have been other mcu based environments popping up. Some were offshoots, such as TI's Energia, which added some i…

In all fairness both sides seem to have engaged in sleazy behavior throughout the years. To me this whole situation was nothing more than a hizzy fit by Massimo Banzi whose enormous ego won't allow him to see the forest for the trees. Somebody already posted the story of Hernando Barragán so now I'll post some of the strong arm tactics that they (the alleged less sleazy arduino) employ against their partner resellers: http://blog.pimoroni.com/why-we-wont-be-selling-genuino-ardu...

Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by aceperry »

ingenieros wrote: post #24
aceperry wrote: post #2

This is huge news. Glad to see a sleazy offshoot reconciling with the open source community. They originally hijacked the name and tried to strong arm a lot of businesses, which seemed to hurt the arduino community. Even though it was the biggest and most influential hobbyist electronics environment, there have been other mcu based environments popping up. Some were offshoots, such as TI's Energia, which added some i…

In all fairness both sides seem to have engaged in sleazy behavior throughout the years. To me this whole situation was nothing more than a hizzy fit by Massimo Banzi whose enormous ego won't allow him to see the forest for the trees. Somebody already posted the story of Hernando Barragán so now I'll post some of the strong arm tactics that they (the alleged less sleazy arduino) employ against their partner resellers…

"this whole situation was nothing more than a hizzy fit by Massimo Banzi whose enormous ego won't allow him to see the forest for the trees"

I don't see it that way, especially when you consider how the whole trademark issue went down. And then refusing to pay royalties and strong arming Arduino suppliers. This was not a simple personal disagreement, but overtly hostile and aggressive business moves which hurt the community.

To your point, Hernando Barragán has legitimate grievances, but that was not the main problem that was resolved.

Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by drewm1980 »

bsder wrote: post #26

Presumably Atmel getting bought by Microchip terrified both camps enough that they decided they needed to be unified.

Oh wow, I didn't know about that merger... that is way bigger news than the squabbling between the Arduino factions. Arduino hardware is pretty much just a breakout board; you can make one on a breadboard. If the bigger merged company decides it doesn't care about the niche maker market, they could kill off the line of DIP chips that IMHO defines what an Arduino board is.

Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by glenndebacker »

digi_owl wrote: post #22
petrikapu wrote: post #11

It took only dipping sales and community looking for alternatives

Yeah i think the RPi and clones helped a great deal there.

I personally think in this space that they experiencing more competition from boards with the ESP8266. You could use the rpi with the gpio pins but for some projects it doesn't make economically sense.

For 4 euro's and less you can buy a board with the ESP8266 and you can even use the Arduino IDE to program it.

Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by drewm1980 »

jpace121 wrote: post #18
kogepathic wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It will be interesting to see if it can recover. Ardiunos were fantastic in their time, but the industry has moved on. Why work on an 8-bit MCU where you [mostly] have to bit bang IO when you can buy something like an STM32 which has hardware acceleration (DMA) for IO, and on higher models even adds things like an RTC? Arduino has a great community, but there are far better choices available now, which are even Ard…

There is something to be said for having the underlying hardware be relatively simple. Someone who started with Arduino could reasonable be expected to grow, study the data sheets, and progress on to AVR C. Moving from the Arduino API to any of the other things supported by ARM is quite a jump to make in a single leap, without some sort of intermediate learning step.

Exactly. I would add that the same is true of the hardware. You can easily pop the DIP chip out of a classic arduino and build your own circuit around it on a breadboard. Making your own surface mount board is a much bigger leap.

Re: Arduino.cc and Arduino.org have settled their differences

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Post by uola »

ingenieros wrote: post #24
aceperry wrote: post #2

This is huge news. Glad to see a sleazy offshoot reconciling with the open source community. They originally hijacked the name and tried to strong arm a lot of businesses, which seemed to hurt the arduino community. Even though it was the biggest and most influential hobbyist electronics environment, there have been other mcu based environments popping up. Some were offshoots, such as TI's Energia, which added some i…

In all fairness both sides seem to have engaged in sleazy behavior throughout the years. To me this whole situation was nothing more than a hizzy fit by Massimo Banzi whose enormous ego won't allow him to see the forest for the trees. Somebody already posted the story of Hernando Barragán so now I'll post some of the strong arm tactics that they (the alleged less sleazy arduino) employ against their partner resellers…

> I'll post some of the strong arm tactics that they (the alleged less sleazy arduino) employ against their partner reseller

When Arduino split Arduino SRL, with the factory in Italy, were the ones with the Arduino trademark in most markets outside the US. Arudino LLC therefor could, presumably, only sell and manufacture device in the US. It seems reasonable that the companies licensed to manufacture Arduino in the US, and can't manufacture anywhere else nor sell to the rest of the world, shouldn't have to compete with Genuinos that are manufactured in China.

In regards to Wiring the project was open source, a master thesis and lives on to this day. It's just that Arduino is more successful.

You can surely doubt the professionalism of many people involved in Arduino, but more than that what happened here is that Arduino forked Wiring and Pimoroni found it cumbersome to sell Arduinos. People always say they want open source or more community driven companies, but when things get complicated not only are people quick to turn on them (which is many times understandable) but they make the situation worse trying to pile on all the things they feel are bad to justify their feelings.

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