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Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Is there an example of a social norm that is acceptable in Iran, but would get you jailed in, say, Germany?

Abuse of women? Raping your own wife etc.

+4 karma so far (within 25 minutes of the account creation) for objectively stupid, offensive garbage like this. Unreal.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Can a female from Papua New Guinea play without wearing a shirt in the "ultra religious" country of the USA?

According to [1], the answer seems to be yes by and large. [1]: http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

I think we all know in practice they would be arrested in most states, even if there were no eventual charges. (Similar to what would happen in Iran)

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

#23
This is not appropriate. Iran should not have demanded any of this crap. This is beyond objectionable. If you are hosting a world event, you adjust to the norms of the world not the other way round. I am amazed there are apologists for this kind of behavior and top of it turning it into criticism of America.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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According to [1], the answer seems to be yes by and large. [1]: http://gotopless.org/topless-laws

I think we all know in practice they would be arrested in most states, even if there were no eventual charges. (Similar to what would happen in Iran)

I'd say a lot of people need to dress better... Half the time I can't tell if a female is even wearing bottom clothes because they are so short... I don't believe a hijab is necessary clothing, but it would be intelligent to dress (modestly) to avoid being "offensive" Dress to attempt to avoid rape or being taken or anything that people may be tempted to do...

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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>>Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world. Need to change slightly . I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I, wh…

Because I am a man, I am allowed to be topless outside in NYC. I wouldn't if I was a woman. The hijab worn in Iran is a lot less restrictive than the hijab worn in a lost of other Muslim countries. I would join in the outrage if the chess players were forced to wear a niqab, but requiring people to wear a loose headscarf is hardly oppression of the worst degree.

Not a particularly good example, women can be topless in NYC: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/24/434315957/...

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world. Need to change slightly . I, whether a man or a woman, am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I, wh…

Because I am a man, I am allowed to be topless outside in NYC. I wouldn't if I was a woman. The hijab worn in Iran is a lot less restrictive than the hijab worn in a lost of other Muslim countries. I would join in the outrage if the chess players were forced to wear a niqab, but requiring people to wear a loose headscarf is hardly oppression of the worst degree.

> Because I am a man, I am allowed to be topless outside in NYC. I wouldn't if I was a woman.

Actually, it is legal for women to be topless in New York: https://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I92_0160.htm

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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I think we all know in practice they would be arrested in most states, even if there were no eventual charges. (Similar to what would happen in Iran)

I'd say a lot of people need to dress better... Half the time I can't tell if a female is even wearing bottom clothes because they are so short... I don't believe a hijab is necessary clothing, but it would be intelligent to dress (modestly) to avoid being "offensive" Dress to attempt to avoid rape or being taken or anything that people may be tempted to do...

> Dress to attempt to avoid rape or being taken or anything that people may be tempted to do...

Perhaps you don't know, but it's all but illegal to say something like that in US.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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In Boulder, yes; absolutely.

Yup, and no one got arrested in San Francisco, either (SFW, but barely): http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Go-Topless-Day-sf-nude-nu...

> (SFW, but barely)

Isn't that exactly the point? By your own choice of words it's clear it's not culturally acceptable in the US and Europe, (except for specially designated areas/specially designated times).

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

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Not sure why this is being posted on HN but anyway. Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.

The "Why is this on HN" post always seems to come with a judgmental comment.

It's on HN because hackers, as a whole, react to what they perceive to be injustice, or discrimination.

Hiding behind a nation's "norms" doesn't make it OK to tell foreign visiting women they need to hide themselves. Personally I don't think anywhere in the world a woman should be forced to do this, and it's all fine and good to try to find analogies like wearing shirts in public, but this is a step too far.

This isn't a nation saying their women have the right to do something, this is a nation saying all women should do this regardless of their beliefs, despite the majority of the world disagreeing with it.

Re: Female chess players forced to wear hijab at world championship in Iran

#30

Not sure why this is being posted on HN but anyway. Iran like all countries have certain cultural norms. I am not allowed to chew gum in Singapore. I am not allowed to drink alcohol publicly in places like Dubai. I am not allowed to smoke outside in the city in parts of Australia. I am not allowed to wear full body swimsuits in parts of France. Welcome to the world.

Slavery is a cultural norm. Racism a cultural norm. Sexism a cultural norm. Just because something's a cultural norm doesn't mean you should accept it. Social progress is made by fighting against cultural norms that treat groups of people as second-class citizens.

Gun ownership is a social norm. Free Speech in the (extreme) American sense is a social norm.

Both are widely rejected by countries, including many in Western civilization.

Still a fan of rejecting social norms that are objectionable to many of us? Or only those America doesn't hold dear?

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