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Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by reacweb »

widforss wrote: post #9

What is the state of the temporary spy laws in France? Shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the announcement that the french government can pretty much ask Amazon for any of your data without a warrant. Or is the situation better than a year ago? EDIT: Warrant is apparently needed as noplay said.

In France, we have some consideration toward power separation. Police and secret services can collect your data mostly without a warrant. Government can exceptionally ask the police some data, but if there are abuses, the judicial power will intervene.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by lloeki »

widforss wrote: post #9

What is the state of the temporary spy laws in France? Shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the announcement that the french government can pretty much ask Amazon for any of your data without a warrant. Or is the situation better than a year ago? EDIT: Warrant is apparently needed as noplay said.

If you're referring to the current "state of emergency" (état d'urgence) it has been extended multiple times already since nov '15, and allows warrantless searches (perquisition administrative).

The last extension is effective since 2016-07-26 and is supposed to last 6 months.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by Symbiote »

alicewales wrote: post #14
timv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Article states UK region "due in coming months". No location announced? At the bottom of the English section it says it's London The new European region, coupled with the existing AWS Regions in Dublin and Frankfurt, and a future one in London,

It's hardly surprising. Everything on the UK internet goes through London anyway. If you have a DC in Manchester and an end-user in Liverpool, the link normally goes Manchester - London - Liverpool. It's not a great situation, having everything so centralised on London, but it's a small enough country that it doesn't have a huge effect on latency. It would make no sense for AWS to locate in a non-London region when e…

A 10 year old PDF map [1] shows plenty of other fibre connections. Does everything really go through London?

Locating outside London would be a lot cheaper, for labour, land and power.

[1] http://www.globalcrossing.com/docs/fn/tanet-uk-map.pdf

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by ceejayoz »

grif-fin wrote: post #6

I do sincerely wished Amazon would have consider changing their AWS service management UI and workflow as well as epanding their servers around the globe. Currently it is an incredibly inefficient design of a service management trying to do everything yet many are dependent for using it.

If you're big enough that switching regions in the console is a regular pain, you're probably big enough to just automate stuff via the APIs.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by grif-fin »

ceejayoz wrote: post #24
grif-fin wrote: post #6

I do sincerely wished Amazon would have consider changing their AWS service management UI and workflow as well as epanding their servers around the globe. Currently it is an incredibly inefficient design of a service management trying to do everything yet many are dependent for using it.

If you're big enough that switching regions in the console is a regular pain, you're probably big enough to just automate stuff via the APIs.

This maybe a fact but not an excuse for poor user experience.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by alicewales »

Symbiote wrote: post #23
alicewales wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hardly surprising. Everything on the UK internet goes through London anyway. If you have a DC in Manchester and an end-user in Liverpool, the link normally goes Manchester - London - Liverpool. It's not a great situation, having everything so centralised on London, but it's a small enough country that it doesn't have a huge effect on latency. It would make no sense for AWS to locate in a non-London region when e…

A 10 year old PDF map [1] shows plenty of other fibre connections. Does everything really go through London? Locating outside London would be a lot cheaper, for labour, land and power. [1] http://www.globalcrossing.com/docs/fn/tanet-uk-map.pdf

There is fibre outside London, but most of the main end-user ISPs have just the one POP and it's normally in Docklands. Everything ends up going through there one way or another.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by ceejayoz »

grif-fin wrote: post #26
ceejayoz wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're big enough that switching regions in the console is a regular pain, you're probably big enough to just automate stuff via the APIs.

This maybe a fact but not an excuse for poor user experience.

AWS initially launched API-only. At any significant scale, it's simply not intended to be managed via the console.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by grif-fin »

ceejayoz wrote: post #28
grif-fin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This maybe a fact but not an excuse for poor user experience.

AWS initially launched API-only. At any significant scale, it's simply not intended to be managed via the console.

I found visualization very much helpful when complexity rises. APIs stays powerful but do not support a human admin for monitoring and server setups (including IAM users, Services, Tasks, Clusters, Launching EC2 instances, ECR setup for docker, AIM, Loadbalancing, Security groups, Roles etc all multiplied to X regions).

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by jsingleton »

dazbradbury wrote: post #5

For those in London wondering where is best for UK based customers, it seems, for London at least, this could be an improvement over Dublin (where Frankfurt is slower), as Paris is roughly 70 miles closer. Of course, depending on where / when [1] a UK-based data centre is released, I'd imagine that would be faster still. Currently Ireland vs. Frankfurt is (more data needed of course)[2]: Europe (Ireland): 25 ms 27 ms…

I've found latency in the UK can be about a third lower than Ireland. I used Bytemark for testing in my recent book but Azure have UK regions now [0] and DO have had a London DC for a couple of years [1]. AWS UK is currently just "coming soon" [2] but Werner has said "end of 2016 (or early 2017)" [3].

[0] https://unop.uk/azure-eu-regions-naming-confusion

[1] https://www.digitalocean.com/company/blog/introducing-our-lo...

[2] https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure

[3] http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2015/11/aws-announces-uk...

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