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Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so a profitable deal overall. I don't think that facebook is good for openness of the web and/or society as a whole, the amount of power without oversight that this Zuck has is simply scary. Edit: here's some food for thought- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook

Weren't you talking about investing public money?

Also, I'm all for it when paypayers money go to new struggling but promising startups, fb is not one of them. I can't really see why they would need governmental financial help other that to support corrupt politicians.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weren't you talking about investing public money?

Also, I'm all for it when paypayers money go to new struggling but promising startups, fb is not one of them. I can't really see why they would need governmental financial help other that to support corrupt politicians.

Is the question about what returns on the investment or about who the government invests in?

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Is this how we are finally going to melt the Arctic?

The hydroelectric dams are taking energy from the water system by slowing its descent. Presumably the friction of faster moving water would heat the riverbeds and surroundings more than the waste heat from the data centers does. The thermal impact should be negligible compared to releasing energy stored in hydrocarbons or atoms. However, pouring a lot of concrete can release enormous amounts of carbon dioxide.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Pretty interesting. I love how bespoke data centers are converging along very similar lines. I'm sure if you were inside a Microsoft, Google, Amazon, or Facebook data center you would recognize the new design touch points. The old data center is dead, long live the new data center. This was the second big thing Google had learned early on: "The equipment is reduced to its basics so it runs cooler. It can also be easi…

I think the lesson came in earlier in the NUMA and MPP machines where they kept trying to cram more stuff on boards that were themselves pluggable into the larger system. This convergence has happened from several directions. It's not all the different from the earlier one that started in the 1960's where they fought cost and inefficiency by getting as few components per box sharing as much as possible. Moores Law temporarily reversed it (transistors and memory are free!) then reality check hits that this seems to be a fundamental principle.

My design a while back was to put it all on PCI cards on a PCI backplane. I saw backplanes that basically look like motherboards full of PCI slots that load into racks. I wanted to make the cards nothing but CPU and memory whose software communicated over efficient networking (not TCP/IP) through PCI DMA. My design had IO/MMU functionality in the backplane or PCI cards. At least one card having full-featured stack for management and at least one I/O card for external interface. I figured the backplane itself could be extended for that, too, with a dedicated port like motherboards do integrated GigE. Management and I/O could come through remote DMA over dedicated wires like many servers do with Ethernet so all the PCI slots could be dedicated to compute.

Dumbest thing about Facebook's model is them destroying drives. The first thing to notice, due to Ross Anderson's Security Engineering, is that those pieces still contain a lot of data if they weren't degaussed first. Next is to remember the fastest way to destroy data: use clustered, encrypting filesystems so that secrets never touch the drive. Then, you just have to delete the keys to loose the secrets. No need to trash the drives at all. The crypto can happen at the storage manager or at hardware interface with HW acceleration available for both types. I'm surprised they haven't already built this with all the smart people they have working on big-data stacks.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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This is from 2014 on swedish radio news (google translated): https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A... Governmental million to Facebook's new data center in Lulea Scroll down to read it, basically taxpayers money went to Zuckerbergs pocket.

And zuckerberg's money went to tax payers in terms of taxes and salary and tax on salary and spending from salary, so a profitable deal overall.

Not really. The third slide is titled "A Ghost Data Center" because so few people are needed to run it.

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Is this how we are finally going to melt the Arctic?

We were thinking along similar lines. Except I just had an amusing observation about how I'm seeing some people telling me the Arctic might melt due to technological activity and another where critical datacenters are being built in the Arctic. One better hope the other isn't right. ;)

Re: Zuck’s photos from Facebook’s futuristic Arctic data center

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Is this how we are finally going to melt the Arctic?

I wonder whether they are using the heat for surrounding buildings. Otherwise it would just be wasted, which is sad.

I don't know about this data center but in Sweden there a few energy companies where you can connect and sell your excess heat.

One such example energy company is https://oppenfjarrvarme.fortum.se/?lang=en

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