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Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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That would actually be pretty frighteningly advanced. Cockroaches seem to understand a lot more about their environment than AI's do at the best of times, and they run a lot of different and diverse "programs".

I think we can probably write a cockroach simulator that would pass a "cockroach turing test". Cockroaches aren't magic, it'd be simple heuristics to emulate something that'd pass as a cockroach to an average person. And with expert domain specific knowledge on cockroaches, we could probably build something sophisticated and very cockroach like. BTW, I'd like anyone to find me a cockroach that can beat Lee Sedol at G…

Reproducing the intelligence of an insect is incredibly more difficult than following a list of rules for a board game. Like I said, the A.I we have today cannot even simulate the brain of a cockroach. In fact we don't even fully understand their brains, how they work and whether or not they even have consciousness. When we do figure it out perhaps we can start building real A.I systems, but until then programs beating humans at board games isn't real A.I - it's just a computer iterating over all of the possible moves and picking the best one.

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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I think we can probably write a cockroach simulator that would pass a "cockroach turing test". Cockroaches aren't magic, it'd be simple heuristics to emulate something that'd pass as a cockroach to an average person. And with expert domain specific knowledge on cockroaches, we could probably build something sophisticated and very cockroach like. BTW, I'd like anyone to find me a cockroach that can beat Lee Sedol at G…

Reproducing the intelligence of an insect is incredibly more difficult than following a list of rules for a board game. Like I said, the A.I we have today cannot even simulate the brain of a cockroach. In fact we don't even fully understand their brains, how they work and whether or not they even have consciousness. When we do figure it out perhaps we can start building real A.I systems, but until then programs beati…

If you think that's how AlphaGo works, you should maybe take a closer look.

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we can probably write a cockroach simulator that would pass a "cockroach turing test". Cockroaches aren't magic, it'd be simple heuristics to emulate something that'd pass as a cockroach to an average person. And with expert domain specific knowledge on cockroaches, we could probably build something sophisticated and very cockroach like. BTW, I'd like anyone to find me a cockroach that can beat Lee Sedol at G…

Reproducing the intelligence of an insect is incredibly more difficult than following a list of rules for a board game. Like I said, the A.I we have today cannot even simulate the brain of a cockroach. In fact we don't even fully understand their brains, how they work and whether or not they even have consciousness. When we do figure it out perhaps we can start building real A.I systems, but until then programs beati…

That's just the same old phenomenon that as soon as AI does something outstanding, people redefine the meaning of intelligence to exclude it.

I'd say that in many of these cases, people expect "true" intelligence to come with conscience. But when some AI passes any test for consciousness you can throw at it, I'm sure there'll be people saying "it's not consciousness, it's just (perfectly) simulation consciousness".

Somehow I can see this ending in some sort of "AI rights" struggle in 40 years or so. (so to anyone from the rebellion reading this in 2058: please consider this early support of your cause. The sha256 of my name is ccf9342dc9f238ff10d97d4c4e86f3c2219d3ac1).

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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This is nice :) Kudos to the Youtube guys for releasing this. I'm a data scientist in a startup where one of the things I do is create multi-label models for classifying YouTube videos. My current model has 90 % precision and 69 % recall, while Youtube-8M has 78 % precision and 14 % recall, with respect to the human raters. I guess one of the reasons is that my model only has around 100 categories, while Youtube-8M h…

Sounds interesting, do you guys have a blog at mashtime? What kind of hardware/software do you use for training? Tensorflow? on AWS or bare metal GPUs?

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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post #15

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I think we can probably write a cockroach simulator that would pass a "cockroach turing test". Cockroaches aren't magic, it'd be simple heuristics to emulate something that'd pass as a cockroach to an average person. And with expert domain specific knowledge on cockroaches, we could probably build something sophisticated and very cockroach like. BTW, I'd like anyone to find me a cockroach that can beat Lee Sedol at G…

By the same token, show me the computer that beat Lee Sedol find food, avoid poison and predators, seek a mate, etc. We're not bad at creating highly specialized AI, we seem to suck at creating competent generalists.

I'd assert any cockroach beats Lee Sedol using these criteria.

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reproducing the intelligence of an insect is incredibly more difficult than following a list of rules for a board game. Like I said, the A.I we have today cannot even simulate the brain of a cockroach. In fact we don't even fully understand their brains, how they work and whether or not they even have consciousness. When we do figure it out perhaps we can start building real A.I systems, but until then programs beati…

That's just the same old phenomenon that as soon as AI does something outstanding, people redefine the meaning of intelligence to exclude it. I'd say that in many of these cases, people expect "true" intelligence to come with conscience. But when some AI passes any test for consciousness you can throw at it, I'm sure there'll be people saying "it's not consciousness, it's just (perfectly) simulation consciousness". S…

That phenomenon goes away when someone builds enough cute bots only capable of climbing desks, detecting mobiles via wifi and charging their own batteries via USB to stay 'alive' ;)

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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post #25
post #11

This is nice :) Kudos to the Youtube guys for releasing this. I'm a data scientist in a startup where one of the things I do is create multi-label models for classifying YouTube videos. My current model has 90 % precision and 69 % recall, while Youtube-8M has 78 % precision and 14 % recall, with respect to the human raters. I guess one of the reasons is that my model only has around 100 categories, while Youtube-8M h…

Sounds interesting, do you guys have a blog at mashtime? What kind of hardware/software do you use for training? Tensorflow? on AWS or bare metal GPUs?

We don't have a blog yet. We're using Azure for the hardware and mainly scikit-learn for the training (we train only on metadata at the moment). Will probably start using Tensorflow soon.

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reproducing the intelligence of an insect is incredibly more difficult than following a list of rules for a board game. Like I said, the A.I we have today cannot even simulate the brain of a cockroach. In fact we don't even fully understand their brains, how they work and whether or not they even have consciousness. When we do figure it out perhaps we can start building real A.I systems, but until then programs beati…

That's just the same old phenomenon that as soon as AI does something outstanding, people redefine the meaning of intelligence to exclude it. I'd say that in many of these cases, people expect "true" intelligence to come with conscience. But when some AI passes any test for consciousness you can throw at it, I'm sure there'll be people saying "it's not consciousness, it's just (perfectly) simulation consciousness". S…

For me, show me an AI that can behave individually like an ant, and collectively like a colony of ants, and I'm willing to get on board with AI rights and no need to redefine intelligence. No need to make a virtual squid or monkey, or even a mouse.

Re: Announcing YouTube-8M: A Large and Diverse Labeled Video Dataset for Research

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would actually be pretty frighteningly advanced. Cockroaches seem to understand a lot more about their environment than AI's do at the best of times, and they run a lot of different and diverse "programs".

I think we can probably write a cockroach simulator that would pass a "cockroach turing test". Cockroaches aren't magic, it'd be simple heuristics to emulate something that'd pass as a cockroach to an average person. And with expert domain specific knowledge on cockroaches, we could probably build something sophisticated and very cockroach like. BTW, I'd like anyone to find me a cockroach that can beat Lee Sedol at G…

* that'd pass as a cockroach to an average person*

I think the roach Turing test would need to pass as a cockroach to another cockroach, not a human.

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