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U.S. Accuses Tech Firm of Bias Against Asian Software Engineers

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Re: U.S. Accuses Tech Firm of Bias Against Asian Software Engineers

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unconscious bias, conscious bias, outright discrimination. What a quagmire of human existence these topics drift into eh? No secret, I'm a 51 year old black man living in America. I've been in "high tech" all my life (Commodore Pet). I've run my own company, and worked in and around others, and now reside at Microsoft. My current non-tech mission is the promotion of diversity in hiring in core tech jobs http://www.in…

| and now reside at Microsoft

I always wanted to hear Jesse Jackson say, "You say Mi-cro-soft; I hear Jim-Crow-soft"

Re: U.S. Accuses Tech Firm of Bias Against Asian Software Engineers

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According to the article, 85% of applicants were Asian. Does anyone ever ask why that ratio is so high?

My wife (who is Asian) graduated from Australia's top high school, where 90% of students are Asian. She and her friends now go to the most prestigious universities in Australia where they study medicine, law and engineering.

She explained to me that as a child of Asian parents if you can't get into medicine, you get into law. If you can't do law, you do engineering or commerce. It really doesn't matter if you want to be a musician or a photographer or do something else with your life. The end product is that we have a huge number of Asian kids graduating from top universities in professions that they don't personally care about, and I bet that comes out in the interview.

I don't believe that people should be discriminated on for their race, but I wonder how much racial diversity gets swept under the rug in the debate. Sometimes racial values stand in direct or indirect opposition to the values of other cultures. Perhaps Asian culture has opposing values to the culture of the software industry, and when that emerges in hiring statistics law suits get filed.

Re: U.S. Accuses Tech Firm of Bias Against Asian Software Engineers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I call bullshit. Give me some numbers to back that up. I do 2-3 interviews a week and race is never a consideration. When an engineer is reviewing another engineer's code, I have never ever seen this be an issue.

They'd call that anecdotal evidence. I don't have numbers to back up the original post, but I'm interested in seeing what he comes back with.

No comeback--just my personal comment. You guys don't have to agree. My original point is that I wasn't surprised regarding the hiring practices at Palantir.

Re: U.S. Accuses Tech Firm of Bias Against Asian Software Engineers

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Not surprising. Rich white people want to stick together and give opportunities to other rich white people in their own circle. It's the same for Asian people in Silicon Valley as well--I don't think it's fair to single out one particular race for this type of behavior. Racism seems to be a human characteristic--whether it's in prison or tech firms, racism is pervasive. It would be more interesting and very much more…

Rich white people? I resent that comment. There are white people that border each other that hate and kill each other. Russia and Ukraine comes to mind. The United States and Russia comes to mind as another example of two predominantly white countries. Racism happens because people are ignorant. Has very little to do with "Rich white people" and very much with ignorance that exists in this world. I will agree that ra…

I did not mean to offend or generalize--there are many people of the same race around the world that dislike each other. I believe everyone is inherently racist--it might be an evolutionary trait (Terror Management Theory comes to mind where the thought of death cause certain people to become subconsciously sectarian), but it doesn;t suit us very well anymore in modern society.

Re: U.S. Accuses Tech Firm of Bias Against Asian Software Engineers

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Not surprising. Rich white people want to stick together and give opportunities to other rich white people in their own circle. It's the same for Asian people in Silicon Valley as well--I don't think it's fair to single out one particular race for this type of behavior. Racism seems to be a human characteristic--whether it's in prison or tech firms, racism is pervasive. It would be more interesting and very much more…

I call bullshit. Give me some numbers to back that up. I do 2-3 interviews a week and race is never a consideration. When an engineer is reviewing another engineer's code, I have never ever seen this be an issue.

"When an engineer is reviewing another engineer's code.." I agree--but society doesn;t operate like this most of the time. I've been in places where an Engineer's opinions carries little weight on who gets hired.
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