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Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but space exploration strikes me as a waste of money and energy. The universe is clearly no good for space travel, otherwise we would witness aliens visiting us. It's empty and hostile. This planet is the only realistic long-term home. Sure, space stuff gets kids into science, but I wonder how many more kids we would get into science by investing billions of dollars in education instead. We…

> We've sent robots to Mars and the photos show it's just dust.

We sent boats into the Atlantic, it turns out it's just water. Guess there's no point looking any farther.

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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We expect headlines to be "truthy" these days, but this bill does not actually authorize money for any Mars mission. There is no Mars mission. There is policy, and a strategic framework, and a critical decision plan, and a Congressional goal of new propulsion tech and a new spacesuit: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/334...

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but space exploration strikes me as a waste of money and energy. The universe is clearly no good for space travel, otherwise we would witness aliens visiting us. It's empty and hostile. This planet is the only realistic long-term home. Sure, space stuff gets kids into science, but I wonder how many more kids we would get into science by investing billions of dollars in education instead. We…

It turns out that one really good way to solve issues like sustainability is to set a bunch of really smart folks about the difficult task of creating a sustainable ecosystem without any outside help (e.g. an atmosphere). The payoff is a set of technologies, tools, and experiences that can be used in more abundant ecosystems (e.g. planet-side). This "spinoff" effect is very well understood and documented.

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but space exploration strikes me as a waste of money and energy. The universe is clearly no good for space travel, otherwise we would witness aliens visiting us. It's empty and hostile. This planet is the only realistic long-term home. Sure, space stuff gets kids into science, but I wonder how many more kids we would get into science by investing billions of dollars in education instead. We…

Have you read this letter of note?

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/08/why-explore-space.html

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but space exploration strikes me as a waste of money and energy. The universe is clearly no good for space travel, otherwise we would witness aliens visiting us. It's empty and hostile. This planet is the only realistic long-term home. Sure, space stuff gets kids into science, but I wonder how many more kids we would get into science by investing billions of dollars in education instead. We…

> We've sent robots to Mars and the photos show it's just dust. We sent boats into the Atlantic, it turns out it's just water. Guess there's no point looking any farther.

Yes, I think the same about deep sea exploration.

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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At least they want to fund the Commercial Crew project. Space-X should have sent a manned Dragon capsule to the ISS by now. There seems to be political pressure to hold them back until ULA can catch up.

(Space-X now claims they know why they had a pad explosion. They're saying "breach in the helium system".[1] But what caused that? What part has to be changed? This just came out a few hours ago, so the details are lacking.)

[1] http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13031308/spacex-falcon-9-r...

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Perhaps I'm a bit cynical, but space exploration strikes me as a waste of money and energy. The universe is clearly no good for space travel, otherwise we would witness aliens visiting us. It's empty and hostile. This planet is the only realistic long-term home. Sure, space stuff gets kids into science, but I wonder how many more kids we would get into science by investing billions of dollars in education instead. We…

Investments in space programs are investments in sustainability, global cooperation. Knowing how to seal a person in a box for months tells us what a human actually consumes. working together on joint scientific ventures brings foriegn peoples closer. This leaves out all the other cool inventions like GPS that space travel has enable thus far that improve are ability to do everything better.

This is just a repackaging of the purely economic investment observation of space programs. The government spending dollars on space has resulted in a many more dollars (or the same dollar spent many more times) on related economic interests. For example: Improved ways to track weather lead to reduced costs of flights, lead to more airline tickets purchased, lead to more travel, lead to more business trips leads to business happening.

Each step in the thread of such and example the effect gets smaller but because there are so many hard problems and so much science gets done that there are many threads.

I used to have a bicycle that I rode to work that was made using an aluminum foam that NASA developed and licensed out to companies that wanted to make light but stiff metal frames. In this case Fuji a Japanese company making racing bikes. Without it for that 3 year period I didn't have a license I would not have had job.

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people call SLS the senate launch system [1] because it's a blatant jobs program. It'll be inefficient and overprized project to deliver stuff that the private sector could handle much better. [1] http://www.competitivespace.org/issues/the-senate-launch-sys...

"Some people" in this care are the Competitive Space Task Force, a "coalition of leading conservative and libertarian thinkers from organizations committed to creating a free and competitive market for U.S. spaceflight" . As one would expect from an organization with that particular point of view, they believe the SLS is a complete boondoggle and private industry should do the work. I wish there were a more neutral s…

NASA paid SpaceX & OSC in advance to produce cost-effective vehicles that NASA then bought. Paying in advance to create new products like this is a standard commercial transaction, and it saved NASA a lot of money compared to buying what was already available, according to NASA.

Sounds like you don't want to fund space at all, but that's a different discussion.

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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At least they want to fund the Commercial Crew project. Space-X should have sent a manned Dragon capsule to the ISS by now. There seems to be political pressure to hold them back until ULA can catch up. (Space-X now claims they know why they had a pad explosion. They're saying "breach in the helium system".[1] But what caused that? What part has to be changed? This just came out a few hours ago, so the details are la…

the truth is that the crew dragon has significant issues still: http://www.parabolicarc.com/2016/09/04/spacex-crew-dragon-ch...

Re: Senate panel authorizes money for Mars mission, shuttle replacement

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Great! > • Expand the full use and life of the space station through 2024 while laying the foundation for use through 2028. So does that mean ISS is not going to be abandoned by 2024?

consider this: one full-size bigelow inflatable module has more volume than the 1/3 of ISS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B330.

three launches to get a bigger ISS. think about it.

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