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WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

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Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

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post #4

Good! Time to move to telegram! And delete your facebook account! And uninstall whatsapp! I expect nothing less from HN.

Please do not use Telegram. It' closed source and uses some half-baked crypto. Signal is open source and is actually end-to-end encrypted.

Signal is pseudo-open-source but will not allow you to use it except via the closed-source google play services, so I still wouldn't have confidence in it.

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#22

Good! Time to move to telegram! And delete your facebook account! And uninstall whatsapp! I expect nothing less from HN.

There is a lot of hype over encrypted chat programs. Telegram's encryption is not end-to-end unless you opt into "Secret Chats"[1] and many claim their crypto is not secure[2,3] as they rolled their own[4]. The latest Google chat app Allo also backed away from defaulting to end-to-end encryption for all messages as it lessens the quality of their auto-assistant[5]. The Axolotl protocol (developed by Moxie and Trevor[…

So what's recommended then? Signal, Wire and Tox?

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#23
post #15

WhatsApp is Facebook. They're basically just two applications from the same company now. Are we going to have a ruling that data can't be passed from Lync to Skype in Microsoft, or from GMail to Googles Ad network? Just because corporate policy in 2014 was they would be completely separate doesn't mean that in 2016 that is now seen as a good idea (for them). Facebook makes money off your data, it was pretty obvious t…

Agreed. In other new: water is wet

Sharing data is what these companies do. The only way to keep your data safe is to use open-source, e2e systems

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#24
post #14

I'm moving to signal / telegram / flavour-of month. What's that, I have no contacts on any of those services? I guess that's even more secure.

Eh, I know hating both/all is trendy now but at least both Whatsapp and Telegram add all your contacts that are on the service immediately.

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#25

Remember that when Facebook promises something next time. I'm slowly moving communications over to Signal.

But it's so hard to try to convince non-tech people to move to another app when they are so comfortable with Whatsapp...

All my friends except my parents and siblings and a single group of people that includes some old ones have already moved after Whatsapp went "free".

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#27
This is not really related to WhatsApp but I feel like it was also a mistake of Oculus VR to be bought by facebook. When I first read it, I thought that VR in general took a big hit, and I still think that, simply because the motives and incentives of facebook are not aligned with that kind of stuff.

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of hype over encrypted chat programs. Telegram's encryption is not end-to-end unless you opt into "Secret Chats"[1] and many claim their crypto is not secure[2,3] as they rolled their own[4]. The latest Google chat app Allo also backed away from defaulting to end-to-end encryption for all messages as it lessens the quality of their auto-assistant[5]. The Axolotl protocol (developed by Moxie and Trevor[…

So what's recommended then? Signal, Wire and Tox?

What's recommended is not posting anything you absolutely need to be secure through some instant messaging app...

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#29

Good! Time to move to telegram! And delete your facebook account! And uninstall whatsapp! I expect nothing less from HN.

Why do you feel for insulting all of us at once?

HN is the most open, thoughtful (and honest-but-careful) public forum I know of and I intend to do my part to keep it that way.

Re: WhatsApp threatened with legal action in Germany over Facebook data sharing deal

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a lot of hype over encrypted chat programs. Telegram's encryption is not end-to-end unless you opt into "Secret Chats"[1] and many claim their crypto is not secure[2,3] as they rolled their own[4]. The latest Google chat app Allo also backed away from defaulting to end-to-end encryption for all messages as it lessens the quality of their auto-assistant[5]. The Axolotl protocol (developed by Moxie and Trevor[…

So what's recommended then? Signal, Wire and Tox?

If you want desktop clients (electron, but at least not Chrome app) try Wire.
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