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Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by distances »

ent wrote: post #16
willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

No. Anyone can be accused of rape, accusations should not matter.

What? Of course it has to be investigated if it's a credible accusation.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by maglavaitss »

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

With your fancy words, you're missing the central point: everybody should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by eli »

ent wrote: post #16
willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

No. Anyone can be accused of rape, accusations should not matter.

There's a well established process for determining guilt or innocence, but it involves showing up for your court dates.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by berntb »

kalleboo wrote: post #14
berntb wrote: post #9

You need a bit more information to see the really funny part. There is presently a scandal in Sweden regarding how bad the Swedish police and the courts work. The justice system write off cases easily. In many parts of the country, after office hours there are hours of travel for the closest police (if they happen to be free). Recently it was found that the police doesn't just have the lowest solving percentage in hi…

> But in this case of Assange, the justice system work hard; it seems they'd follow Assange to the gates of Hell... If they'd follow Assange to the gates of Hell, they've just fly to the embassy and interview him there

Sorry, I thought my point was obvious -- it is hilariously obvious that the tenacity is not about the crime Assange stands accused of.

(I'm not certain if Assange should be sent to a prison in the US or not. Releasing information, which certainly e.g. China and Russia already have, is not bad. On the other hand, releasing secret information must be prosecuted for a state's good.)

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by [deleted] »

maglavaitss wrote: post #22
willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

With your fancy words, you're missing the central point: everybody should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise.

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Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by willvarfar »

dummkopf99 wrote: post #17

So you believe the rape accusations are valid? If you think that it is not politically motivated or that Sweden will not hand him over to the US as soon as they get him, you must be incredibly naive.

(I live in Sweden)

The rape accusations seem valid, but I'm not qualified to judge and neither are you. A court should decide.

I find the whole idea that two girls tried to get him to take an STD test and it escalates to him fleeing to be an incredibly non-credible way for the US to extradite him.

Why didn't the US pursue him for those months he was wandering around London?

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by chrischen »

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/julian-assange-affidavit-states-rap...

As I had recalled earlier there was some damning evidence, if true, supporting the case that it is a conspiracy.

Supposedly the girls had denied rape allegations but later retracted or removed traces of the denials.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by tdkl »

willvarfar wrote: post #8

Someone accused of rape should not be given refuge to wait it out. Its easy for armchair conspiracists to imagine this whole thing an elaborate ruse to extradite Assange to the US, but Assange was being questioned in Sweden before he fled from there and on bail in the UK prior to 'fleeing' to the Ecuadorian embassy. It seems a very roundabout way for the Americans to get at him. Occams Razor Assange is fleeing justic…

If you want to discredit someone publicly, publish articles of him with connection to keywords "rape" and "child pornography". Then let the media do its own work.

Re: Swedish court upholds Assange arrest warrant

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Post by willvarfar »

berntb wrote: post #24
kalleboo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But in this case of Assange, the justice system work hard; it seems they'd follow Assange to the gates of Hell... If they'd follow Assange to the gates of Hell, they've just fly to the embassy and interview him there

Sorry, I thought my point was obvious -- it is hilariously obvious that the tenacity is not about the crime Assange stands accused of. (I'm not certain if Assange should be sent to a prison in the US or not. Releasing information, which certainly e.g. China and Russia already have, is not bad. On the other hand, releasing secret information must be prosecuted for a state's good.)

Living in Sweden, so kinda care that the police would work a bit harder. But its a massive leap to take general statistics and extrapolate that to one of the most heinous crimes of all - rape. Hopefully the overstretched police are overlooking the drunks and focusing on the rape and murder cases?
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