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EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020

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Re: EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020

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I sometimes wonder if companies like Elsevier are the patent trolls of the research publishing industry - with the same chilling effect on the spread of innovation. [1] It will be interesting to see how this affects the quality of reviewing. I think the defendants of the current system (who usually say someone has to bear the cost of the review process) are going to be rudely surprised when the academic community emb…

> I sometimes wonder if companies like Elsevier are the patent trolls of the research publishing industry

I assume that 50 years ago the cost of getting information out to people was quite significant. printing, distribution, logistics... a single researcher wouldn't be able to deal with lots and lots of publishing institutions efficiently, and a single institution (except for the largest ones) wouldn't be able to publish efficiently. at my uni school, they had 2 geometry professors, and they perhaps published something every few years. no need for the school to publish its own geometry journal. middle-men such as Elsevier emerged to provide a useful service, achieving efficiencies of scale on both ends, providing a publishing channel for smaller schools and a discovery service for researchers. kind of the same as why travel agents existed. it was too difficult for a single person to deal with all the hotels and airlines in the world, and they didn't even know where to go and ask about that stuff.

Today, the cost of getting the information out to people being insignificant, they are an obstacle instead of being an enabler, adding very little value to what people can do directly. On the other hand, as long as they can keep the effective monopoly going, they can milk the market. Travel agents didn't have a chokehold on a market, and got easily disrupted by web sites. Elsevier requires regulators to step in.

Re: EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020

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Why on earth do people think this is to the detriment of publishers? This will effectively just lock in their profits by forcing all eu grants to include the cost of payments to publishers to make research papers open access. It just means the taxpayer is now paying for open access instead of individuals having to pay up themselves. Note I'm not saying this is a bad thing, and it is possibly worth publicly subsidising this as an intermediate step, but it is far from being one in the eye for publishers as other comments here seem to think.

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What if a paper was written by an international team with members from US/Australia?

Same things that happens when you have to apply other EU regulations like the "Right to be Forgotten". What most likely will happen is that there will be a geoblocked EU repository/ies which will provide free access to research material. Also it's important to note that only research which has been funded with public funds is applicable for this and depending on under which "Open Access" model they'll end up operatin…

> What most likely will happen is that there will be a geoblocked EU repository/ies which will provide free access to research material.

I'd be absolutely amazed if this happens.

The current common setups for funding bodies which already require open access are:

1. Can't go behind a paywall, so money is included in the grant for publishing costs.

2. Can go behind a paywall, but a copy must be made available somewhere else (not as common).

I have no idea why they'd go about building a geoblocked repository, that sounds expensive and I cannot see what problem it actually solves.

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What if a paper was written by an international team with members from US/Australia?

Same things that happens when you have to apply other EU regulations like the "Right to be Forgotten". What most likely will happen is that there will be a geoblocked EU repository/ies which will provide free access to research material. Also it's important to note that only research which has been funded with public funds is applicable for this and depending on under which "Open Access" model they'll end up operatin…

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Re: EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. European articles may be "free to read", but most of them will probably not be free to publish. For-profit publishers will probably appreciate this: it means that, while European institutions will probably still pay subscription fees (to read foreign research), they will now also have to pay extortionate open-access fees when publishing. In addition to paying researchers to produce and peer-review the rese…

I don't understand why this comment is downvoted. What a3_nm says is very important. There are multiple forms of open access, and the EU is being lobbied by publishers to push for their idea of open access, sometimes called "gold open access", in which the authors pay to publish. This is a really bad model as it makes money part of an equation which should only be governed by scientific concerns: should this paper be…

> Now, researchers is poor countries may be able to access existing research but they won't be able to publish their findings…

Well they definitely can publish, but they will have to pay a decent amount to publish in a big journal. Grants will include money for this purpose.

edit - I'm not sure why this was downvoted. There are free places you can publish work, and grants that require open access include money for publishing costs, certainly the grants my wife has worked on included open access publishing money.

Re: EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020

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Why on earth do people think this is to the detriment of publishers? This will effectively just lock in their profits by forcing all eu grants to include the cost of payments to publishers to make research papers open access. It just means the taxpayer is now paying for open access instead of individuals having to pay up themselves. Note I'm not saying this is a bad thing, and it is possibly worth publicly subsidisin…

It does however provide a limit on how much money each publisher can extract from a paper, and makes things far more transparent.

It also makes free or cheaper services more competitive.

Re: EU Announces That All Scientific Articles Should Be Freely Accessible by 2020

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post #18
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. European articles may be "free to read", but most of them will probably not be free to publish. For-profit publishers will probably appreciate this: it means that, while European institutions will probably still pay subscription fees (to read foreign research), they will now also have to pay extortionate open-access fees when publishing. In addition to paying researchers to produce and peer-review the rese…

I don't understand why this comment is downvoted. What a3_nm says is very important. There are multiple forms of open access, and the EU is being lobbied by publishers to push for their idea of open access, sometimes called "gold open access", in which the authors pay to publish. This is a really bad model as it makes money part of an equation which should only be governed by scientific concerns: should this paper be…

> an equation which should only be governed by scientific concerns: should this paper be published or not?

"Will this paper increase my impact factor or not?" It now becomes literally necessary to spend money to increase the metric used to determine if you get any money.

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