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Perhaps you're not aware of your math literacy? You knew, remembered, and understood what an arctangent is. That makes you tremendously more math literate than the typical non-STEM educated Joe or Jane.
And, according to the article, more math literate than most STEM-educated people, too.
The Math Myth
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#22Given the anti-intellectual and antiscience trends in US and Europe - where US seems to lead the way, it's at least one way of monitoring the situation.
As a practical skill, anything beyond 5th grade is rarely used, except if in rather specialized professions, but learning math most probably gives you tools for abstract reasoning, and probably changes how you look at the world.
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#23I think society would be a lot better if BASIC math and statistics would be better understood. How many times do you see a study posted here with N=23 and people say "the sample size is too small" when it's clearly not? How many people ask for a card deck change to change their luck? How many times do people read a poll like 49% +/- 3% vs. 43% +/- 3% and conclude the two candidates are statistically tied? I could pro…
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#24How much of any advanced learning do most people use in their day to day lives? All of it in the periphery would be my counter-conjecture.
I was always taught trade schools were for learning a particular skill. College was to equip you with the knowledge and ability to think logically required to have a better life.
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#25The typical career arc is to get through college, then sit down at a CAD workstation, or programming terminal, and forget all of your math and theory within a few years or even months. Time that isn't spent doing CAD, is spent on testing, troubleshooting, dealing with vendors, and so forth. A few of them start prepping for management. It's becoming increasingly common for engineers to start their MBA training as soon as the company agrees to pay for it.
Truth be told, outside of a few life-support-critical applications, most design is done by trial and error. Very little real engineering gets done.
And the products we make, are designed to provide similar benefits in another profession. We are told by management: "Our customers don't want products that require them to think. They want something where a person with an 8th grade education can push a button and get an answer."
When a math or theory problem arises, they take it to the resident "math person." That's me. I'm glad that I spent the better part of my youth learning math and theory, because I'd be as suited to the CAD workstation as I'd have been to working at a loom, or a lathe, 100 years ago. For the most part, the people who emerge as "math people" are the ones who were interested in it as an end unto itself, in the first place. I didn't study math because I expected it to be necessary for a job. I studied math (and physics, programming, electronics, etc.) because I was interested in those things. They were for me an escape from preparing for my career.
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#26I think this gets it all wrong by considering mathematics to be a set of discrete tricks, like 8th grade arithmetic, algebra and statistics. Mathematical thinking and problem solving are skills that need to be honed and kept up to date. You do that by learning new methods and tricks constantly. There are disciplines that require similar skills and have a positive cross-over to other skills. Computer science theory is…
Learning to learn what? Nobody taught me how to learn how to learn.
I taught myself how to program. I read books, watch tutorials, and so on.
There's no systematic methodology to the whole thing.
Maybe until recently I found a guy who have a 'systematic methodology' for learning. I have yet to use it myself.
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#27I think society would be a lot better if BASIC math and statistics would be better understood. How many times do you see a study posted here with N=23 and people say "the sample size is too small" when it's clearly not? How many people ask for a card deck change to change their luck? How many times do people read a poll like 49% +/- 3% vs. 43% +/- 3% and conclude the two candidates are statistically tied? I could pro…
To be fair, 0.9999... = 1 is not quite basic. You need to know things like infinitesimals, the distinction between value and representation of numbers etc.
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#28I think society would be a lot better if BASIC math and statistics would be better understood. How many times do you see a study posted here with N=23 and people say "the sample size is too small" when it's clearly not? How many people ask for a card deck change to change their luck? How many times do people read a poll like 49% +/- 3% vs. 43% +/- 3% and conclude the two candidates are statistically tied? I could pro…
To be fair, 0.9999... = 1 is not quite basic. You need to know things like infinitesimals, the distinction between value and representation of numbers etc.
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#29At the level of societies, maybe. Can a poor society with lots of mathematicians "beat" a society with lots of wealth and infrastructure and comfortable niceties but whose individuals can only use Excel? Probably not, certainly not in < 1 generation. It certainly didn't turn out great for the soviets.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, 0.9999... = 1 is not quite basic. You need to know things like infinitesimals, the distinction between value and representation of numbers etc.
It's also not strictly, theoretically true. More an 'for all intents and purposes' kind of thing.