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Reliance’s Ambani Lays Out Plan for Low-Cost Mobile Data in India

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I am reasonably sure that all other telecoms are doing this already. Attitude towards privacy of an average Indian leans towards "don't care". We seem to think privacy in numbers or something.

Well if huge number of people are living in or very close to poverty I do not think data privacy is very high on their priority.

Yes it is true , very few people may about privacy and they wikl use VPN softwares on mobiles. Rest don't bother. Even if you run http site for user name password it is ok here except for financial transaction. But i am sure irrespective of the vendors all providers can do what they want the license of ISP they have but they need to keep meta data and they provide it to government as and when requested by Dept of Telecom , no warrant or court order required as it is covered in ISP license and CAF agreement with customer. This applies to all internet connection not just retail customers. I know airtel injects a page when i run out of the bandwidth even though my dns is google DNS.I would rather fight for food safety, health safety and garbage collection in cities(None of the major cities know how to do it and IT Hub is full of garbage everywhere) etc... than worry about any of these

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Kinda like Valentine from Kingsman. I'm a bit apprehensive of their executive saying deep packet inspectionn will be the actual gold mine [ http://qz.com/771690/reliance-jio-bombshell-the-good-the-bad... ]

Quoting: Privacy: An unnamed Jio executive mentioned “deep packet inspection” to Reuters, saying: “It’s called deep packet inspection, and what you can do with the analytics of that is mind-boggling,” he said, referring to a practice that digs into “packets” of data created by computers for efficiency, mining them for information. If this is happening and Jio is accessing data packets to develop patterns of user data…

Taking to court :) :) ... forget it...

Re: Reliance’s Ambani Lays Out Plan for Low-Cost Mobile Data in India

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This is not what the hype is making it out to be.

The average monthly indian mobile monthly revenue is b/w 150-200rs ($2-$3). The hype is that a user gets a GB of data for Rs 50 (~$1).

But if you look deeper, that's just the rate of charge/GB. The initial plan is still Rs 150 per month (for a paltry 0.3GB of data with free voice). This is better than the current market, but only marginally, not substantially or revolutionary. Heck that fact that the next big plan is Rs 500, and nothing between the basic and the next big plan shows they expect a significant number of users to jump onto the Rs 500 plan. [1]

[1] http://i.imgur.com/IknpMek.jpg

What's going to happen is the 6 other network providers will huddle in their respective HQs and come out with equivalent plans within a fortnight.

But definite kudos to Jio for stirring up the market a little.

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HTTPS will allow them to only see the domain. Tor stops the domain from being revealed to them.

Pushing for the entire internet to use https is hard. Pushing for ISPs to be barred from reading http pages is easier. My (Indian) landline ISP even writes to http pages, injecting ads for higher tier internet plans and letting me know that I've reached my data cap (after which I still have internet, but at a reduced speed). Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas.

> My (Indian) landline ISP even writes to http pages, injecting ads for higher tier internet plans

I've now gotten used to pages not opening up due to ad-blockers; I refuse to disable those. It may not be all that bad to shun sites that refuse to display content upon detecting ad-blockers.

> Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas.

And then you have Cloudflare.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am reasonably sure that all other telecoms are doing this already. Attitude towards privacy of an average Indian leans towards "don't care". We seem to think privacy in numbers or something.

Well if huge number of people are living in or very close to poverty I do not think data privacy is very high on their priority.

Data privacy shouldn't be a privilege for the wealthy. All internet users deserve the same rights in this regard.

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Kinda like Valentine from Kingsman. I'm a bit apprehensive of their executive saying deep packet inspectionn will be the actual gold mine [ http://qz.com/771690/reliance-jio-bombshell-the-good-the-bad... ]

Quoting: Privacy: An unnamed Jio executive mentioned “deep packet inspection” to Reuters, saying: “It’s called deep packet inspection, and what you can do with the analytics of that is mind-boggling,” he said, referring to a practice that digs into “packets” of data created by computers for efficiency, mining them for information. If this is happening and Jio is accessing data packets to develop patterns of user data…

> This essentially implies that they would earn more revenues by analyzing one's browsing behavior, performing analytics and selling the data. Awesome. Welcome to India!

It's not like this is a uniquely Indian problem. The largest wireless provider in the US (Verizon) was caught doing basically exactly this, and other (broadband) telecom providers are trying to do the same.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pushing for the entire internet to use https is hard. Pushing for ISPs to be barred from reading http pages is easier. My (Indian) landline ISP even writes to http pages, injecting ads for higher tier internet plans and letting me know that I've reached my data cap (after which I still have internet, but at a reduced speed). Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas.

> My (Indian) landline ISP even writes to http pages, injecting ads for higher tier internet plans I've now gotten used to pages not opening up due to ad-blockers; I refuse to disable those. It may not be all that bad to shun sites that refuse to display content upon detecting ad-blockers. > Tor is good, but slow, and many websites block it or show captchas. And then you have Cloudflare.

> It may not be all that bad to shun sites that refuse to display content upon detecting ad-blockers

Not sure how this is relevant; I'm talking about my ISP modifying my packets to include its own ads. The websites have no hand in this aside from the choice to use http.

While I don't like ads, I personally don't use an adblocker (just Firefox's tracking protection, which still triggers antiadblock).

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This is not what the hype is making it out to be. The average monthly indian mobile monthly revenue is b/w 150-200rs ($2-$3). The hype is that a user gets a GB of data for Rs 50 (~$1). But if you look deeper, that's just the rate of charge/GB. The initial plan is still Rs 150 per month (for a paltry 0.3GB of data with free voice). This is better than the current market, but only marginally, not substantially or revol…

what speed do you get ? where are you located at ?
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