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Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

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Just wanted to say that the phrase "flight-proven" is genius marketing.

I don't get the point, we know exactly what they're doing, so why do it?

I wish press releases didn't make me parse what they're really saying. I know "marketing" works, but if I was a satellite company, I would expect my audience to be smarter than that.

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post #21

Just wanted to say that the phrase "flight-proven" is genius marketing.

I don't get the point, we know exactly what they're doing, so why do it? I wish press releases didn't make me parse what they're really saying. I know "marketing" works, but if I was a satellite company, I would expect my audience to be smarter than that.

I think there are a lot of stories about companies that go "why do we need all this fake marketing crap anyway" and then proceed to lose a bunch of money :)

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

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It is really interesting to see that this is a very 'ordinary' commercial geostationary launch customer, and not a government funded research satellite. This is oversimplified, but traditionally, rockets that are in beta test mode are tested like: 1) static pad tests/firings of engines 2) all-up launch of the full rocket, carrying a boilerplate satellite with some instrumentation, maybe some cubesats or low cost smal…

Not contradicting anything you've said seeing as the first few launches of the falcon 9 followed your rough outline, but SES was SpaceX's first GTO launch so they've clearly got an appetite for a bit of risk.

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

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I wonder if they'll really save money right away doing this. I imagine they'll spend a lot on inspections and getting things 100% right. Either way, it's an amazing achievement.

The first rocket launch cost a total of $63 million or so, IIRC. This one, I've read, is being done for about $15-20 million less. Still tens of millions of dollars, but quite a bit of savings, especially for the first time SpaceX has done this (considering the risk involved).

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

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post #5

Just wanted to say that the phrase "flight-proven" is genius marketing.

Better than "Certified Pre-Owned Rocket" :-) I agree with the folks who have tweeted they should start adding launch "check marks" to the paint but that assumes that they will launch it w/recovery and then do it again.

The title of this article should have been "Used Rocket".

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building many identical satellites in an assembly-line like fashion cuts down on costs significantly. Large geostationary satellites are currently based on standard buses (like the Boeing 702 and its variants), but each satellite is generally a bespoke product. Larger quantities of the same thing like the second generation Iridium network and the o3b MEO satellites are very interesting from a per-unit cost perspectiv…

Right. It definitely looks like we could be in for a shakeup in the industry. The question still remains though; what is the total size of the market for all of those satellites? How many could we place in MEO/GEO/GSO before the market is completely saturated? I honestly have no idea. I would think the LEO satellite market will eventually be dominated by less powerful vehicles, although if SpaceX can survive long eno…

Geosync slots are scarce. There's a market in them.[1] Low-orbit slots are more available.

[1] http://www.nyulawglobal.org/globalex/Paper_satellites_free_u...

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

#27

Just wanted to say that the phrase "flight-proven" is genius marketing.

Don't know if this comes from SpaceX or SES.

But Musk is definitely good at coming up with 'interesting' new terms.

See RUD - Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly (aka Crash).

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The delay between landing and relaunch has less to do with refurb on this particular booster, than with the series of tests that they're doing on other returned boosters to convince both the customers and their insurance companies that they generally come back in re-flyable condition, which have been happening on and off for months. Among other things, a different booster has been put through at least three full-leng…

They would have launched sooner, but public opinion is swayed too much by failure. Engineers and money men don't really care, failure is interesting and valuable. Unfortunately, so is public opinion and support... and every perceived failure has a million armchair rocket scientists shitting on SpaceX because people loove to do that sort of thing... so they have to be unduly careful about it.

If that would be the case, SpaceX wouldn't tweet explosion videos on every failure or have live streams of their launches. They would take the approach of Blue Origin that only publishes carefully edited marketing footage where everything always seems to go perfectly.

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

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post #21

Just wanted to say that the phrase "flight-proven" is genius marketing.

I don't get the point, we know exactly what they're doing, so why do it? I wish press releases didn't make me parse what they're really saying. I know "marketing" works, but if I was a satellite company, I would expect my audience to be smarter than that.

The same reason we get everything priced a cent short of dollar, despite everyone being aware of the trick.

Re: SES-10 Launching to Orbit on SpaceX's Flight-Proven Falcon 9 Rocket

#30

I wonder if they'll really save money right away doing this. I imagine they'll spend a lot on inspections and getting things 100% right. Either way, it's an amazing achievement.

There is a bigger question which was asked in the Economist this week ( http://www.economist.com/technology-quarterly/2016-25-08/spa... ), which is can SpaceX create a big enough market where they can realize the savings of reusability? Right now satellites cost more than the price of the rocket, so if you shave off $10 million on a launch that's pretty much a drop in the bucket compared to the overall price. This is…

Reduced launch costs can compel emergence of entirely new kind of customers. Quite like the relatively affordable New England minicomputers of 1970s propelled whole new markets, branches of CS and eventual personal computing revolution.
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