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PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

#21

Post by anexprogrammer »

crudbug wrote: post #2

Well and good. The ® slapped everywhere is very annoying.

pc-bsd.org (Just as OTT with &reg) still seems to think TrueOS is the server flavour only. You'd think they'd make sure a rebrand shows on both sites at same time.

iX don't have ® all over the place on their own site, or FreeNAS so it must be a PC-BSD choice.

Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Post by da_n »

I have respect for BSD and am very thankful that there is more than just Linux (my preferred OS). One thing that I've noticed is that, warranted or not, a lot of BSD users seem to suffer from an inferiority complex. On some BSD podcasts I listen to for example, hosts and guests often drop little jabs at Linux etc, it seems very immature and unnecessary. This naming choice puts me off more than anything, might as well have called it SuperiorOS or BestOS, but I wish it luck.

Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Post by ch_123 »

drewg123 wrote: post #5
4ad wrote: post #3

So why would one want to use TrueOS instead of FreeBSD? When it was still called PC-BSD some people claimed ease of use, but I never understood that; since it used the same ports as FreeBSD, you could install the same ports or packages on FreeBSD. Now they abandoned this desktop focus. So what is the selling point here?

I use PC-BSD on my desktop. The reason that I chose it over FreeBSD is due to their upgrade process and their use of ZFS boot environments (beadm). And the fact that X "just worked" with their installer. In terms of packages and uppdates: The way a pkg update on FreeBSD goes is that you do pkg-update && pkg-upgrade, and it updates your packages in place. In PC-BSD, it makes a new clone of your current root environmen…

> Ugh, The name reminds me of Tru64 from DEC in the 90s..

So I wasn't the only one!

Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Post by rsync »

Why would this OS (or any OS) follow FreeBSD-current ?

This is negative because it just encourages the bad practice on the part of FreeBSD to release 2 or 3 or 4 stable point releases, based on the assumption that "anyone who wants anything should just use -current".

At some point there will be the (absurd) necessity to start bundling a "super current" release because there has to be a test platform, but at the same time everyone is using -current in production and you can't break it too badly.

Or I guess they can just break it badly one of these times and a lot of people get screwed.

There is a deep, deep cultural problem in FreeBSD that just doesn't ever go away and it can be summed up by saying: FreeBSD is an OS by, and for, FreeBSD developers.

Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Post by kchoudhu »

rsync wrote: post #24

Why would this OS (or any OS) follow FreeBSD-current ? This is negative because it just encourages the bad practice on the part of FreeBSD to release 2 or 3 or 4 stable point releases, based on the assumption that "anyone who wants anything should just use -current". At some point there will be the (absurd) necessity to start bundling a "super current" release because there has to be a test platform, but at the same…

We'll be up to 5 point releases when 11 hits in a few weeks. Sayeth the new arrival to FreeBSD org: "What the fuck, which one am I supposed to use?"

    LATEST RELEASES
    Production: 10.3, 10.2, 10.1, 9.3
    Upcoming: 11.0
Edit: To be fair, it's worth mentioning that 10.2, 10.1 and 9.3 will sunset on 1/1/2017, so we'll be left with a slightly more sane set of production releases at that point.

Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Post by yellowapple »

4ad wrote: post #3

So why would one want to use TrueOS instead of FreeBSD? When it was still called PC-BSD some people claimed ease of use, but I never understood that; since it used the same ports as FreeBSD, you could install the same ports or packages on FreeBSD. Now they abandoned this desktop focus. So what is the selling point here?

My impression is that the desktop version still has the desktop-centric focus. Maybe that's an incorrect impression.

Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #21
crudbug wrote: post #2

Well and good. The ® slapped everywhere is very annoying.

pc-bsd.org (Just as OTT with &reg) still seems to think TrueOS is the server flavour only. You'd think they'd make sure a rebrand shows on both sites at same time. iX don't have ® all over the place on their own site, or FreeNAS so it must be a PC-BSD choice.

pc-bsd.org

Huh? Did you type that correctly? It takes me to a site titled SAMAA TV, that has lots of Arabic on it. Something from Pakistan?

Edit: apparently the computer centric site is http://pcbsd.org/

Re: PC-BSD becomes TrueOS

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Post by ksec »

rsync wrote: post #24

Why would this OS (or any OS) follow FreeBSD-current ? This is negative because it just encourages the bad practice on the part of FreeBSD to release 2 or 3 or 4 stable point releases, based on the assumption that "anyone who wants anything should just use -current". At some point there will be the (absurd) necessity to start bundling a "super current" release because there has to be a test platform, but at the same…

I was going to ask if you could pinpoint a more precise problem, but then I read your username rsync, given the amount of ZFS you used this is properly something quite true.
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