French police make woman remove clothing on Nice beach following burkini ban

Post by chambo_e » Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 4:14 PM UTC

waterphone wrote: post #14

chambo_e wrote: post #7

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Shame on who ? I'm French and by no way I support this. There is still death penalty on some US states but I'm not shaming every US citizens. There is only 15 towns concerned by this ban, that's not representative

I can't speak for the OP, but in my experience when people say something like this, they are generally referring to the government and the people who support such things, with the understanding that with any sort of collective abbreviation like this, there is an understanding that not everyone included in that group was involved with or supports such rules.

Post by harperlee » Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 4:27 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #20

harperlee wrote: post #17

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I believe that preventing the tension buildup that leads to violence is a reasonable cause for state intervention. The ban of the burkini is a misguided attempt to alleviate that tension. Although this is very sad to write, nowadays in France being very publicly muslim increases that tension. Using burkinis that contrast your being covered whilst the rest of the people on the beach/pool are semi-naked is included in…

> The ban of the burkini is a misguided attempt to alleviate that tension. Its so badly and obviously misguided as a technique to that intent that it is simply implausible that that is the actual intent, specifically in that it does the exact opposite , and that it is transparently obvious that it would do so, and that even if you might excuse someone for failing to recognize this in a vacuum, the fact that a number…

Post by spriggan3 » Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 4:37 PM UTC

mark_l_watson wrote: post #3

Black mark against the French. Shame on them.

Post by mywittyname » Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 4:57 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #20

harperlee wrote: post #17

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I believe that preventing the tension buildup that leads to violence is a reasonable cause for state intervention. The ban of the burkini is a misguided attempt to alleviate that tension. Although this is very sad to write, nowadays in France being very publicly muslim increases that tension. Using burkinis that contrast your being covered whilst the rest of the people on the beach/pool are semi-naked is included in…

> The ban of the burkini is a misguided attempt to alleviate that tension. Its so badly and obviously misguided as a technique to that intent that it is simply implausible that that is the actual intent, specifically in that it does the exact opposite , and that it is transparently obvious that it would do so, and that even if you might excuse someone for failing to recognize this in a vacuum, the fact that a number…

Post by spriggan3 » Wed, Aug 24, 2016, 5:05 PM UTC

mywittyname wrote: post #26

spriggan3 wrote: post #24

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> but people have a fundamental right to express their personal values in their dress and practice their religion Yes, like the fundamental right to wear saggy pants in some american cities ... where they are outlawed. I'm amused every time Americans boast about being living in land of freedom ,when your government is as despotic as the rest. I certainly don't want my country to turn into that racially divided & viol…

> Yes, like the fundamental right to wear saggy pants in some american cities ... where they are outlawed. Actually, our (lower) courts have ruled that these laws are unconstitutional. So yes, Americans have the fundamental freedom to wear burkinis and baggy pants. So, while small, local governments are free to enact repressive laws, Americans have the luxury of being protected by pro-liberty groups that will come in…