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More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #15

> poisonings leave little doubt of the state’s involvement — which may be precisely the point. Exactly. That was the point of using Po-210 for Litvinenko. The goal was to leave no possible doubt who killed him and for what. It was a warning to all future defectors. So yes, nobody is safe even outside Russia. Funny enough during Soviet times US seems to have been considered off-limits for targeted assassinations. But…

> Exactly. That was the point of using Po-210 for Litvinenko. The goal was to leave no possible doubt who killed him and for what. It was a warning to all future defectors.

And the proof for this theory is? I'm not buying anything main stream media or our elites are telling us.

They can't present proof for their far reaching accusations? Then it must be propaganda designed to steer us into hating some government they don't like for various reasons.

If they don't like this government and believe that they can convince us by presenting facts then I'd be fine with it. But they don't do this.

> It is also interesting that as soon as War On Terror started Putin has quickly jumped on-board and also started to claim what they were doing was "War On Terror" as well.

Russia had internal civil wars in recent memory where they fought radical Islamist groups trying to establish an Islamic Emirate in Russian regions like Chechnya, Dagestan and others. And they had lots of terror attacks before this even became a thing in the West.

Islamist terror organisations were actually so strong back then in the region, that Russia _lost_ a war against them in the first Chechen war. Imagine the US loosing a hypothetical war against self proclaimed leaders of a Texan Emirate/Caliphate and ceding territory to them. You would go nuts.

These are some pretty strong reasons why any Russian leader would support a war on terrorism as I doubt you'll find a Russian politician (even within the opposition) that is in favour of establishing a Caliphate on Russian territory.

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #11

While I have no doubt that Russia, like the USA, carries out targeted assassinations, perhaps the NYT should do another piece on some of the suspected victims of a recent US administration. An article about Paul David Wellstone will be an engaging read.

Are there any credible sources that indicate the crash was something other than pilot error potentially exacerbated by technical difficulties?

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #15

> poisonings leave little doubt of the state’s involvement — which may be precisely the point. Exactly. That was the point of using Po-210 for Litvinenko. The goal was to leave no possible doubt who killed him and for what. It was a warning to all future defectors. So yes, nobody is safe even outside Russia. Funny enough during Soviet times US seems to have been considered off-limits for targeted assassinations. But…

> Exactly. That was the point of using Po-210 for Litvinenko. The goal was to leave no possible doubt who killed him and for what. It was a warning to all future defectors. And the proof for this theory is? I'm not buying anything main stream media or our elites are telling us. They can't present proof for their far reaching accusations? Then it must be propaganda designed to steer us into hating some government they…

> And the proof for this theory is? I'm not buying anything main stream media or our elites are telling us.

I don't know how many things can be known with certainty, but Po-210 is not exactly easy to get your hands on. As for how many people wanted him, specifically, dead, well, you tell me who had resources like that and who benefited from his death.

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #14

Ooh!! Big Bad Russia! In comparison, free world good good. Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, Chelsea Manning, Michael Hastings, Paul Wellstone, Omar Torrijos, Oscar Romero, Salvador Allende, Mmmm!

Are any of those people in danger of being assassinated by the USA? I think not. Perhaps jailed, yes, but even then there will be a whole raft-load of legal challenges. The difference is that in Russia there is no legal system (at least, not one that you can trust).

>Are any of those people in danger of being assassinated by the USA? I think not.

What are you talking about? Over half of the people on that list are dead.

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Exactly. That was the point of using Po-210 for Litvinenko. The goal was to leave no possible doubt who killed him and for what. It was a warning to all future defectors. And the proof for this theory is? I'm not buying anything main stream media or our elites are telling us. They can't present proof for their far reaching accusations? Then it must be propaganda designed to steer us into hating some government they…

> And the proof for this theory is? I'm not buying anything main stream media or our elites are telling us. I don't know how many things can be known with certainty, but Po-210 is not exactly easy to get your hands on. As for how many people wanted him, specifically, dead, well, you tell me who had resources like that and who benefited from his death.

It is reasonable to assume a government actor. Russia has a motive for punishing a traitor just as Western elites have a motive to further their Cold War 2.0 agenda.

The problem is that we cannot tell who did it as our government will not give us proof.

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #12

ITT: HN currently being brigaded by the alt right. Beware.

To my knowledge HN is a place for open, civilized discussion - it's not a designated left-wing safe space. The presence of people with different opinions to you doesn't make it a "brigade".

> open, civilized discussion

> implying your views are

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my knowledge HN is a place for open, civilized discussion - it's not a designated left-wing safe space. The presence of people with different opinions to you doesn't make it a "brigade".

> open, civilized discussion > implying your views are

4chan is two blocks down, friend

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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Journalists, bankers, whistle blowers, opposition politician dying in Putin's Russia. What a surprise. Russia is rotten shithole no surprise all the neighboring countries are very worried about a possible attack. Those in power in Russia are so ruthless and evil that it is probably better die fighting than letting them rule you.

Re: More of Kremlin’s Opponents Are Ending Up Dead

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post #15

> poisonings leave little doubt of the state’s involvement — which may be precisely the point. Exactly. That was the point of using Po-210 for Litvinenko. The goal was to leave no possible doubt who killed him and for what. It was a warning to all future defectors. So yes, nobody is safe even outside Russia. Funny enough during Soviet times US seems to have been considered off-limits for targeted assassinations. But…

Poisoning Litvinenko with Polonium also was a symbolic act. Litvinenko = Litva = Lithuania in Russia and Polonium is Poland.
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