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Unvarnished: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place For Defamation

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Re: Unvarnished: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place For Defamation

#21

“Will you ever give users the option to take down their profile?” “No, because if we did that, everyone would take their profile down” I find that remark quite amusing coming from the creator.

Why do you find that amusing? The cut out the second part of that sentence which was "everyone would take their profile down in the case they get a negative review."

Your desire to 100% control your image does not trump the rights of free speech that others have. For example, I can't remove any of the comments here on this site making reputation claims about me, because it would be censoring you. And it would injure the rights of others to consume that information.

Just because I have an interest in making everyone think that I am 100% A+ 99th percentile doesn't mean I can censor you.

Re: Unvarnished: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place For Defamation

#22
post #15

So, am I reading this right, in that someone can create a profile for you without your consent, and you can't stop it from appearing?

Correct. You can speak about me without my permission. We do it all the time offline, and we do it all the time online.

Re: Unvarnished: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place For Defamation

#23

I wonder if underlying users get a chance to respond to negative material. At least this site can be focal point for rebuttal. Negativity shouldn't be feared.

Yes. That is extremely important to provide balance to the conversation. While I can't infringe your right to express your opinion about me, I certainly do have a right to add my voice to the conversation. Unvarnished allows profile owners to claim their profile, respond inline to review, request more reviews from their network, and so on.

You're right on the money about 'focal point'. Right now, reputation conversations already happen, but they're sprayed all over the web. I don't know who's saying what about me on what blog or what twitter stream. Moreover, I don't know how authoritative that blogger / twitterer is, when I'm reading claims they make about someone else.

On Unvarnished, the interests of the three sides of this conversation are balanced: the profile owner, the reviewers, and the review readers. No one's interests trump, but there is a framework and rules for the discussion.

Re: Unvarnished: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place For Defamation

#24
post #9

This reminds me more of Get Satisfaction than Yelp - in the sense that people perhaps aren't even after publicity, but they can get listed anyway. Only now it's individuals that can have their reputation held to ransom!

Correction to your point: On Yelp, you or I can add a restaurant, doctor, dentist, whatever, to the site in order to review them.

Again, people can speak about me without my permission.

And no one's reputation is being held ransom. Individuals can claim their profiles if they like, or ignore it if they like.

Re: Unvarnished: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place For Defamation

#25
post #8

There is probably a counter business here: "destroy your unvarnished profile". Either an expensive hand crafted one or, depending on their "spam" filters, Mechanical Turk farmed. (I can't quite describe the whole reasons but I find this particular site wholly distasteful)

Well, this is the sort of thing that we believe persistent identity and review graph analysis will help us prevent. We are committed to ensuring that the content on the site is not spam or shilling, and that it remains a place for productive conversation about professional reputation.

Re: Unvarnished: A Clean, Well-Lighted Place For Defamation

#26
post #3

people with more friends could quickly down-vote each other's negative reviews and write scathing reviews for whoever they wish to bully unless they explicitly bar people below a certain age, this site will wreak havoc in children's social lives

Actually not. Because we can see, in the backend, the reviewing patterns, along with a variety of other tools, it's possible to discern when folks who have likely not worked with each other are reviewing each other.

Also, the site is only for people 21+ years of age. Very good point.

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