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Re: Don Bateman’s terrain mapping device

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Is it just me, or does the crashes data look really noisy? Yes, since 2001 the maxima are clearly lower, but in the period 1974-2001 I don't see a lot of difference with the period 1950-1974.

It is very noisy and isn't shown as a ratio to passengers (or maybe a ratio to passenger-miles would make more sense).

And measuring deaths is weird as well e.g. could have the same number of crashes, just with fewer deaths, if there were improvements to other aspects of safety.

Re: Don Bateman’s terrain mapping device

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Is it just me, or does the crashes data look really noisy? Yes, since 2001 the maxima are clearly lower, but in the period 1974-2001 I don't see a lot of difference with the period 1950-1974.

It should probably be a scatter plot instead of a line chart, since interpolating values between points here is not meaningful. If there were 0 deaths in 1990 and 100 in 1992, that doesn't necessarily mean there were 50 in 1990. Maybe a cumulative count would work better, normalized by total flyers per year.

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>Bateman was always fascinated with airplane crashes. As an 8-year-old school boy in 1940 in Saskatoon, Canada, he and a friend sneaked out of class after two military planes collided and crashed nearby. As punishment, his teacher made him write a report on what happened. A much more appropriate punishment than detention.

As is the custom, I have to get excited when our small town gets mentioned in either the news or HN. I'm also now going to be doing some research about this accident; we don't have a military airfield in town, but my understanding is that there once was. We additionally had a pile of small airstrips all over the province commissioned during the war which have now been abandoned. It still surprises me that we had thes…

My grandfather was an RAF pilot during WWII, who lived in Saskatoon and Kamsack from 1920ish until the 1990s -- I'm not sure if he was stationed there during WWII (I think he might have been put on the east coast) but if he was, he'd likely have known the people in the planes involved.

He passed away early this year, so I unfortunately can't ask him.

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>Bateman was always fascinated with airplane crashes. As an 8-year-old school boy in 1940 in Saskatoon, Canada, he and a friend sneaked out of class after two military planes collided and crashed nearby. As punishment, his teacher made him write a report on what happened. A much more appropriate punishment than detention.

As is the custom, I have to get excited when our small town gets mentioned in either the news or HN. I'm also now going to be doing some research about this accident; we don't have a military airfield in town, but my understanding is that there once was. We additionally had a pile of small airstrips all over the province commissioned during the war which have now been abandoned. It still surprises me that we had thes…

The airfields were part of the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, and they were all over Canada. Pilots were trained for WWII. I believe my grandfather was training in Gimli Manitoba when the war ended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Commonwealth_A...

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This reminds me of my sometimes curiosity into why helicopters don't have a central parachute, presumably located in the center of the main rotor. Not a parachute for occupants, mind you - for the entire helicopter. Why isn't that workable ?

Probably because Autorotation[0] works better than parachutes. Let it fall, and let the wind keep the rotors spinning, checking the fall speed just a bit to keep the rotor speed under control. Save up enough energy in the rotors to slow to a soft landing just before you hit the ground. You also keep a pretty good amount of directional control, can turn and go forward and backward a moderate amount as needed. A parach…

I've never understood why both planes and helicopters don't have a small rocket that could be used to slow them down and bring them in for a soft landing just before impact. So a plane loses its tail and is falling for 40,000 ft....at 1,000 feet or whatever the rocket fires forward to stop forward progress of the plane, and then at a few hundred feet it fires vertically toward the ground to provide the lift needed for a soft landing. If an emergency happened during takeoff, the rocket could quickly slow the plane and fire it straight up into the air and out of danger in most circumstances, then let it fall and slow it down just before it reaches the ground. It wouldn't take much fuel for a few seconds of burn. It's not the fall that kills people; it's the landing.

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> Soliday had more success at United. The airline agreed to help Bateman’s team test it so it could be certified by the FAA, he said. Most other carriers balked. It took another high-profile fatal crash to change their minds.

It's amazing how much blood is required to grease the gears of the world's bureoucracy...

Re: Don Bateman’s terrain mapping device

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Probably because Autorotation[0] works better than parachutes. Let it fall, and let the wind keep the rotors spinning, checking the fall speed just a bit to keep the rotor speed under control. Save up enough energy in the rotors to slow to a soft landing just before you hit the ground. You also keep a pretty good amount of directional control, can turn and go forward and backward a moderate amount as needed. A parach…

I've never understood why both planes and helicopters don't have a small rocket that could be used to slow them down and bring them in for a soft landing just before impact. So a plane loses its tail and is falling for 40,000 ft....at 1,000 feet or whatever the rocket fires forward to stop forward progress of the plane, and then at a few hundred feet it fires vertically toward the ground to provide the lift needed fo…

The tongue-in-cheek answer is that they are not designed by SpaceX.

For large passenger airliners, how would that work? Are we supposed to strap LIQUID rockets to them? Precisely balanced around the center of mass? What if one of them fails? What if one of them is ignited when it should not? Who designs those things? How to guarantee structural integrity? Are the attachment points going to be reinforced? What would the FAA say? I could go on and on.

Mind you, there have been planes designed with rocket-assisted take-off in mind. You won't find any designed for landings outside Kerbal Space Program.

They'd need to be liquid fueled because they'd need to be throttled to fulfill all these functions. I am not even asking where the oxygen (or whatever oxidizer) would be stored...

Re: Don Bateman’s terrain mapping device

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood why both planes and helicopters don't have a small rocket that could be used to slow them down and bring them in for a soft landing just before impact. So a plane loses its tail and is falling for 40,000 ft....at 1,000 feet or whatever the rocket fires forward to stop forward progress of the plane, and then at a few hundred feet it fires vertically toward the ground to provide the lift needed fo…

The tongue-in-cheek answer is that they are not designed by SpaceX. For large passenger airliners, how would that work? Are we supposed to strap LIQUID rockets to them? Precisely balanced around the center of mass? What if one of them fails? What if one of them is ignited when it should not? Who designs those things? How to guarantee structural integrity? Are the attachment points going to be reinforced? What would t…

I didn't say it would be easy....but surely something could be done other than "let's hope nothing goes wrong...".
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