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Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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I live in Canada and basically Vancouver, possibly the Canadian city with the nicest weather, is completely cut off to me. It's not even like Silicon Valley etc where there is an industry and you can find a job that pays better here, it's just completely too expensive. There was a website called something like "crack house or million dollar Vancouver home" because knock-down quality bungalows were selling for over a…

You could rent. Rental prices in Vancouver are fairly reasonable relative to purchase prices.

0.8% vacancy rate, good luck renting also landlords all use fix term year leases now where you agree to move after it expires in order to bypass the provincial rent increase cap and raise your rent +30% https://www.biv.com/article/2016/6/tight-rental-market-bc-la...

Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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I like how this article frames it as an issue about the 'free movement of capital.' In a lot of instances 'free-trade' agreements exist to help the mega-rich, this seems like a perfect example.

Critical analysis of neoliberal economics is not likely to be found in the pages of one of its primary mouthpieces, though sometimes the Economist does surprise and actually mentions an externality or two.

Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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Wonder if San Francisco could do the same to these foreign real estate squatters.

The tax only really affects landed immigrants who live and work in BC, and foreign capital investments in new developments as the Chinese speculators with billions who want to park money in Vancouver have already found ways around it because they can deposit millions to set up national corporations and have it do all the land holding/flipping. For example my sister who has lived here 30yrs with American citizenship will have to move to another province or back to the US if she sells her house since she will be eligible for the 15% tax buying a new place, on top of all the other existing taxes so is looking at +20% tax when her family outgrows their home.

Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well because the property is extremely overpriced when you consider market rate rents the yields are extremely low. You can only charge as much rent as the market will bear, which in some ways makes rental completely different to ownership prices. Basically the people buying it don't deam the return on renting it worth the risk of a bad tenant or worth the hassle. They don't need cashflow, are either using it as a sa…

sounds like you guys should dump as many of these properties on these fool heads as possible. you can buy them back in a few years for a lot less.

Exactly what came to my mind. I saw this same behavior happening in 2005. When there is no marketable cash-flow producing use of investment property, you are in a bubble.

Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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I have been upset by how quickly many people have concluded that the problem in San Francisco (et al) is something something supply/demand and not about speculation, and that the solution is to open up zoning laws and allow new development.

The existence of enormous wealth inequality means a few billionaires can easily scoop up all the available property on the market in San Francisco, and thus the housing price is extremely vulnerable to speculation. Since land is the most valuable thing you can own, and thus the most lucrative thing to speculate on, I am sure this is happening.

Here http://voxeu.org/sites/default/files/schularick_fig1.png is a figure from a recent paper showing a dramatic rise in the price of housing since 2000. The authors of this paper again conclude that something about movement or building or zoning needs to change.

I disagree. To me it is obvious that this shift after 2000 is the result of speculation. Specifically, we know that the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 opened up a vast new derivatives market in the hundreds of trillions of dollars. This market contributed to a series of enormous bubbles and speculative bursts - e.g. the energy market speculation that Enron caused, and later the housing bubble that destroyed the global economy, still ongoing.

It seems obvious to me that the sudden and dramatic rise in land price is at least partially, and probably mostly, related mostly to derivatives and speculation. We didn't change much since 2008 - it stands to reason this would still be ongoing.

It is also my belief that the recent push to "build build build" and "rezone" in SF is a result of this speculative putsch, which wants new and valuable property in SF to make good on the bubble of speculation.

Since this bubble is driven by billionaires in tight markets (not poor people being given fraudulent mortgages nationwide), it's probably harder to see and pop. But I really, really wish people were paying attention to this more. We haven't learned the lesson of 2008 - things have changed, and not for the better.

Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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post #25

Wonder if San Francisco could do the same to these foreign real estate squatters.

The tax only really affects landed immigrants who live and work in BC, and foreign capital investments in new developments as the Chinese speculators with billions who want to park money in Vancouver have already found ways around it because they can deposit millions to set up national corporations and have it do all the land holding/flipping. For example my sister who has lived here 30yrs with American citizenship w…

My brother is a real estate agent in Vancouver. He is really upset at this law because precisely this. He predicted before the law passed that the ones who will suffer most from this tax will surely be honest immigrants. He says that the law doesn't close the right holes to protect the right people, and it certainly doesn't deal with the supply-side issues, only the demand-side.

Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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A move by local government to drum up votes for upcoming election.

Make it look like we doing something, at the same time raising additional budget with the tax surplus.

I think it's too little very late.

15%tax on illicit funds is just cost of doing business ( with says around it too).

Quote from a localasian realtor to me: "now my client can't buy the 9million dollar house he wanted for investment cause of tax." in one scenario

Re: Foreign residential property buyers to be taxed at 15% in Vancouver

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The Canadian housing market is currently in a bubble. The same can be said about the Australian housing market.

Canada

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1100960/thumbs/o-BMO-HOUSE-PRICES-...

http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/54aea0136da8118f2ae...

Australia

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NuIUphAP17w/Vth6P3w2FzI/AAAAAAAAC...

http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/images/stories/keenjan2.p...

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