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The gender wage gap in Silicon Valley – based on AngelList data

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Post by bmmayer1 »

Kpourdeilami wrote: post #2

> At that point I made a decision to change this by enforcing a new hiring rule. Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team I stopped reading after this part!

"Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team."

The CEO should have run this blog post, and particularly this sentence, by a lawyer. It seems pretty clear that the above statement, if reflected in actual hiring practice by the company, is in violation of Section 703(a) of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act[1]. It is also pretty easy ammunition for an employment discrimination lawsuit.

[1]https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/titlevii.cfm Section 703(a) reads "It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer...to fail or refuse to hire...because of such individual's...sex" and "to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities" because of sex

Re: The gender wage gap in Silicon Valley – based on AngelList data

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Post by haimez »

newacct23 wrote: post #11

>Education shrank the results to single digits for each occupation, gender and work experience, so I decided to remove it from the final dataset. First of all you could have used buckets. Secondly, it doesn't seem like you have enough data judging from your charts. Dice did a study and found that >when you control for education, level of experience and parallel job titles, says Dice, men and women earn the same amoun…

But you know they won't be, because good luck winning that case, and before that, good luck finding a lawyer to represent that case.

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Post by dfsegoat »

Would be helpful to see some histograms. The patterns of the data seem oddly suspect to me (sinusoidal - with things like Operations in 5 year earning more than ops at 7.4ish year). Maybe I am missing something but am assuming this is just because of sample size. It seems extreme for things like Operations and Hardware Engineer though.

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Post by ben_jones »

thedevil wrote: post #8
Kpourdeilami wrote: post #2

> At that point I made a decision to change this by enforcing a new hiring rule. Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team I stopped reading after this part!

Sure, the author's worldview is twisted a little by politics, but I recommend skipping to the bottom, there's some substance there. He has some interesting charts regarding how much salary is requested by people of different skill, experience, and gender.

So for future reference, best practice is to ignore any bad parts of an article that agrees with my political and moral leanings and only focus and trumpet the good parts??

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Post by hkjgkjy »

romanhn wrote: post #14

Interesting data, BUT... "Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team." - this is gender discrimination and it is illegal. How about actually making the workplace attractive to woman applicants? Things like ridding your careers page of implicit biases and bro culture, putting extra emphasis on personal as well as professional growth, attending/hosting various women-oriented events/…

I'd urge men to apply, and sue if rejected. Gender discrimination is a no-no.

Re: The gender wage gap in Silicon Valley – based on AngelList data

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Post by gozur88 »

stale2002 wrote: post #18
Kpourdeilami wrote: post #2

> At that point I made a decision to change this by enforcing a new hiring rule. Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team I stopped reading after this part!

Why? Hiring women over men is just good business. The wage gap means that at a given salary level, the women is going to be better and more experienced. If you have budgeted 120k for a software engineering position, why WOULDN'T you choose the best person for the role? And the best person for the role at this salary point is almost certainly going to be an overqualified women who is getting underpaid at her previous…

>The wage gap means that at a given salary level, the women is going to be better and more experienced.

Yeah... no. The "wage gap" means the CEO makes more than the receptionist. For people with the same CV and same work experience women make just as much as men.

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Post by [deleted] »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #21
Kpourdeilami wrote: post #2

> At that point I made a decision to change this by enforcing a new hiring rule. Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team I stopped reading after this part!

"Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team." The CEO should have run this blog post, and particularly this sentence, by a lawyer. It seems pretty clear that the above statement, if reflected in actual hiring practice by the company, is in violation of Section 703(a) of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act[1]. It is also pretty easy ammunition for an employment discrimination lawsuit…

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Re: The gender wage gap in Silicon Valley – based on AngelList data

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Post by intopieces »

bmmayer1 wrote: post #21
Kpourdeilami wrote: post #2

> At that point I made a decision to change this by enforcing a new hiring rule. Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team I stopped reading after this part!

"Next couple of new employees are going to be women up until we balance our team." The CEO should have run this blog post, and particularly this sentence, by a lawyer. It seems pretty clear that the above statement, if reflected in actual hiring practice by the company, is in violation of Section 703(a) of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act[1]. It is also pretty easy ammunition for an employment discrimination lawsuit…

You missed this bit.

>The term “employer” means a person engaged in an industry affecting commerce who has fifteen or more employees for each working day.

FTA:

>We’re team of 10 people of which only 2 are women, only one is a developer.

Re: The gender wage gap in Silicon Valley – based on AngelList data

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Post by lsiq »

DelaneyM wrote: post #20

Data collection: A+ Analysis: needs improvement. From the article: > Based on the data, women are definitely undervaluing themselves in comparison to men. The gap starts around $10k/year for the first year and grows to a staggering $30k/year after 10 years of working epxeriences. [sic] An alternative interpretation is that women are behaving entirely logically with the knowledge that their employability is maximized…

The gap is large enough that the efficient market argument doesn't hold very much water. A 5k difference should be enough to favor one candidate over another all else equals. If firms are efficient they wouldn't be paying 20k extra for males.

I do think wages are really very much a bottom up thing in that people can collectively raise their wages by simply not accepting lower pay. Putting a (reasonably) high price on your head is not only good for you but for others like you in the labor market. Firms are not really in a great position to keep wages down, the best they can do is make sure nobody knows what anyone else makes.

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