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UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the correct form is "e.g." and "i.e.", and screen readers cope with those fine. People also get "etc." wrong a lot, writing it as "ect", which presumably screen readers would fail at, too. Since people get it wrong, and there are more natural ways of writing these, these guidelines seem quite reasonable.

Ah, this seems to make sense, thx! Pity that this extended rationale is not present in the original article. Actually, this seems to render the article's claim rather unfair in laying the blame on screen readers ( "[screen readers] read ‘eg’ incorrectly" ), as it appears it should be rather " we have many errors of 'eg' instead of 'e.g.' in our texts, and they're too hard to catch for our editors" edit: personally, I…

It seems that a lot of style guides these days actually recommend "eg" and "ie" over the versions with dots in a misguided attempt at simplification. I guess with those guides out there, the damage is already done.

Personally I always try to re-write sentences that use "e.g.", "i.e." or "etc.", as I think they're symptomatic of lazy writing. There's usually a much better way to write what you're trying to say. Similarly with excessive use of parenthetical clauses.

Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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I love what UK Gov is doing, they actually sound like the kind of business that I'd love to work with (I'm totally surprised because it's a Government) and I'm learning a lot just with these articles. I'd also love to see other governments to take a similar approach, but that seems highly unlikely for most countries including Spain (where I am from).

It has worked because they've done what goes against normal government behaviour and that is, "keep it simple". They are also learning to share resources so that multiple government sites can share postal and payment engines - something which is so obvious but so lacking!

Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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Is it actually officially correct to use "eg" instead of "e.g.", and "ie" instead of "i.e." in English? (UK, US, AU, or whichever else?) Both http://dictionary.cambridge.org and http://dictionary.com seem to show only "e.g." and "i.e." for me?

The Guardian style guide is the only one of the newspapers for which I could find an entry on this.

https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-observer-style-guide-e

It recommends dropping the dots. I know we were taught in school to treat them as abbreviations and therefore include the dots so I'm not sure where this new fashion comes from.

Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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FFS can we stop spending billions on designing around screen readers and fucking spend billions on good screen readers.

this doesn't address the complaint that non-native english speakers may not know what `e.g.` and `etc.` mean.

Presumably native latin speakers will feel right at home. :-)

Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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Is it actually officially correct to use "eg" instead of "e.g.", and "ie" instead of "i.e." in English? (UK, US, AU, or whichever else?) Both http://dictionary.cambridge.org and http://dictionary.com seem to show only "e.g." and "i.e." for me?

The Guardian style guide is the only one of the newspapers for which I could find an entry on this. https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-observer-style-guide-e It recommends dropping the dots. I know we were taught in school to treat them as abbreviations and therefore include the dots so I'm not sure where this new fashion comes from.

Maybe that's just the Grauniad codifying their well-known propensity for typographical error, though.

Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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I love what UK Gov is doing, they actually sound like the kind of business that I'd love to work with (I'm totally surprised because it's a Government) and I'm learning a lot just with these articles. I'd also love to see other governments to take a similar approach, but that seems highly unlikely for most countries including Spain (where I am from).

We’re hiring back-end developers and web-ops currently, maybe you should apply?

Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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FFS can we stop spending billions on designing around screen readers and fucking spend billions on good screen readers.

This would be my concern -- potentially half-assed engineered products significantly influencing nationwide (worldwide?) standards that suddenly many developers must now accompany. It'll be like supporting IE 7-9 all over again.

Re: UK government changes website guidelines due to buggy screen readers

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I love what UK Gov is doing, they actually sound like the kind of business that I'd love to work with (I'm totally surprised because it's a Government) and I'm learning a lot just with these articles. I'd also love to see other governments to take a similar approach, but that seems highly unlikely for most countries including Spain (where I am from).

NHS is also very good in my opinion. http://alpha.nhs.uk comes in at 100KB with fonts
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