Microsft metrics were always a bit dubious, they used to claim sales for pirated Windows copies as well as any copies that were given away or claimed on MSDN. Anyway, monopoly is not a healthy state for any market and honestly in the near future the exclusivity of Apps will fade and the choice of OS should be based on personal preference. Or how much better they are, not because software is only built for platform X.
Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
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Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted so badly. The top comments to the linked article are about how atrocious MS has been in force-upgrading / no upgrade control / no-option telemetry. I think this is a primary reason MS won't meet their goal. By all other measures and reviews it is a top notch OS. The fact that they are using shady tactics with this OS to start vendor lockin and to jumpstart their only-by-subs…
It's likely getting downvoted so badly because of the use of "crapware" to describe the product - which is a negative contribution to the discussion here.
There. Better now? Not triggering anyone?
(See this for context - IMNSHO a program which does this fully deserves its accolades, no matter if it's pushed by the OS vendor or not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11846198 )
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#23Personally I find it very odd. I've been a Linux-only user for the past 13 years, and Windows 10 was the first time I actually considered trying Windows as my main OS. I guess our metrics are different.
Similarly, but for me it was Vista. I'm still on Win7 until MS comes up with "better 7", nothing so far...
I plan on test driving 10 this weekend. From what I've heard (installation tactics aside), it seems like Win10 is a better Win7. What about it doesn't make it a better Win7?
Edit: Clarification.
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#24Any one think they are cutting off the free upgrade at the deadline?
Why not? Arguments in favor of dropping the free program as promised:
- It would be the same as before.
- Continuing a failed strategy won't suddenly be any more successful. Why should those who didn't upgrade until now suddenly do it? The most likely reason will be because they have to - in which case letting them pay is the better business strategy.
- It sets a bad precedent for the future (from their POV), nobody would take similar announcements seriously any more.
That said, my reason for not upgrading my PC thus far is that on my officially Windows 10 supported Dell XPS 13 9333 (from 2014) ultrabook (which I bought with Windows 8.1) I have quite severe sound driver crash issues (the actual Realtek driver is even worse, but with only the Microsoft High Definition Audio Device driver I have them too, and I'm not alone), and I have to restart explorer.exe (the window manager) occasionally because something hangs. No chance to get anything done from Dell, even though they officially support the upgrade. On my XPS 8500 PC - two years older - it isn't even officially supported, and it also has a Realtek audio chip. So I'm really reluctant to start the upgrade. I'll do it just before end of the month, but I'll be sure to have everything backed up even if they say I will be able to revert the installation.
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#25I read another article that said that the failure to reach this metric was due to the lack of sales of Win10 on phones. When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It seems strange to me that Microsoft was pushing for universal apps, and now that it's close enough to finally happening they've given up on mobile. Somewhat of…
>given up on mobile
I don't know about that, they sure have been pushing a lot of new builds lately :
https://www.reddit.com/domain/blogs.windows.com/search?q=bui...
though I guess they did sell part of Nokia or something.. Sad because those phones are super durable for someone like me who breaks devices constantly
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#26This says more about the prediction process than it does about Windows 10. Overly optimistic sales projections are a dime a dozen.
Sales? It was free. They can't give it away.
Windows is mostly sold as OEM on new computers. For existing/old computers they have minimal sales... so they are giving it for free here...
Gut since they will start with subscriptions very soon I wonder what is their long term plan with these Win10 installations on existing computers...
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#27Personally I find it very odd. I've been a Linux-only user for the past 13 years, and Windows 10 was the first time I actually considered trying Windows as my main OS. I guess our metrics are different.
Similarly, but for me it was Vista. I'm still on Win7 until MS comes up with "better 7", nothing so far...
Anecdotal of course, but for me Windows 10 is a better Windows 7. Virtual desktops, some small upgrades to the shell (stacked, pauseable copy dialogs, ...) make it worth it, and I haven't found anything from Windows 7 that I can't use anymore.
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#28I read another article that said that the failure to reach this metric was due to the lack of sales of Win10 on phones. When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It seems strange to me that Microsoft was pushing for universal apps, and now that it's close enough to finally happening they've given up on mobile. Somewhat of…
> "your files are exactly where you left them"
That was my favorite message during install. Thanks Windows, I had never once worried about that previously but I have to say you specifically mentioning that it wouldn't be a problem definitely made me wonder.
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#29A metrix where windows does not look like a failure has to be created first. Not even them are able to do so.
What about desktop market share?
Re: Windows 10 a failure by Microsoft's own metric
#30I read another article that said that the failure to reach this metric was due to the lack of sales of Win10 on phones. When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start. It seems strange to me that Microsoft was pushing for universal apps, and now that it's close enough to finally happening they've given up on mobile. Somewhat of…
> When I tried a pre-Win10 Lumia in a store I actually found it very impressive, but I heard that the Win10 mobile launch had a rocky start.
It's been solid since, but the first month or so of Windows 10 on a Lumia 950 was rough going. Store was unreliable, battery drained in ~6 hours (same hardware/usage will now last me 24+ hours), and auto-updater got permanently stuck at 0%. Only way to move to a working build was to factory reset the phone.